Who would win in a fight?

IDigitalDeadI said:
ummmm you got both snake's correct but, the punisher can do just as much. The same goes with Sam Fisher. Their military backgrounds justify their skill in almost every way. Sam Fisher doesn't have to be in the dark to use his skills. I'm guessing you didn't read the books or play conviction? Anyways, I picked these 4 because they all are proficient in hand to hand combat (or CqC) I just wanted to know who does everyone else think would win.
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Once again, I can't really speak for the Punisher, but Sam Fisher did not spend years coming up with a fighting technique with a war hero, and certainly did not specialize in the field of hand-to-hand combat. That beats most things.

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Oh, I've played Conviction. As far as I know he hasn't gotten into a hand to hand one on one fight yet. Everyone else has.
 
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Ranthus said:
Once again, I can't really speak for the Punisher, but Sam Fisher did not spend years coming up with a fighting technique with a war hero, and certainly did not specialize in the field of hand-to-hand combat. That beats most things.

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Oh, I've played Conviction. As far as I know he hasn't gotten into a hand to hand one on one fight yet. Everyone else has.
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Hand to gun fight lol. Beating people up lmao. But to be serious, Sam trained quite a while to do what he does. There is alot about his history in the books.
 
IDigitalDeadI said:
Hand to gun fight lol. Beating people up lmao. But to be serious, Sam trained quite a while to do what he does. There is alot about his history in the books.
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This, I'm not arguing with. I'm quite sure that's true.

Shall I just go through a rundown of what happens in each scenario against Big Boss?

Solid Snake vs. Big Boss
They punch, kick, and throw each other until Big Boss starts thinking about CQC, and begins blocking/countering all of Snake's attacks. Then he gets Snake's stamina down to 0 by doing this, winning.
Big Boss wins!

The Punisher vs. Big Boss
Honestly, I don't know.
(wikipedia, wikipedia)
Well, it looks like he's overall awesome, and is probably actually better than Big Boss at hand-to-hand, and was forced into being better at hand-to-hand due to not having an awesome silenced tranq gun.

But the Boss has CQC, and can easily break arms/throw people/grab people from the front into a chokehold and break their necks/punch people/kick people
Don't know! But The Punisher probably wins against Solid Snake

Sam Fisher vs. Big Boss
While Sam Fisher has extensive training and skill in hand-to-hand combat(he was in the military), he has only had extensive development in standard combat. CQC has had extensive development in itself. The only thing harder to beat than tons of hand-to-hand training is tons of hand-to-hand training using a hand-to-hand style that tons of time was spent into making. The only reason CQC exists is because standard military hand-to-hand wasn't good enough for The Boss and The Big Boss.
Big Boss wins, but it was close. He loses against Snake, too, because he only lost due to CQC's existence.

And Sam Fisher got into a hand-to-gun fight and beat the gun-wielder up? You wouldn't believe how many times that's happened to the Snakes (at least, in my playthroughs. I use CQC a lot in those games, and I tend to get spotted.)
Although, the Snakes do seem to have some odd tendency to survive gunshots, being run over, and nuclear explosions...teh haxors???

Revised ratings
1) Big Boss
1) The Punisher
3) Snake
4) Sam Fisher(Barely)
 
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Wind said:
Which means The Finisher. You really think big boss stands a chance against wolverine? Really?
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Not even a fair match in the first place. Because wolverine is a mutant with enhanced abilities. Big Boss and Snake however, are normal human beings who have just had lots of military experience
 
XXzz-Trauma-zzXX said:
Not even a fair match in the first place. Because wolverine is a mutant with enhanced abilities. Big Boss and Snake however, are normal human beings who have just had lots of military experience
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Not to be biased but if the Punisher can defeat Wolverine, then he can easily defeat regular humans
 
IDigitalDeadI said:
Not to be biased but if the Punisher can defeat Wolverine, then he can easily defeat regular humans
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Actually, wasn't Wolverine's fighting style rather direct, and not extremely well thought-out? I believe if this were merely a test of strength, the Punisher would certainly win. However, a hand-to-hand fight would require you to analyze your opponent if you wished to succeed when the odds aren't in your favor. Big Boss can do that. Wolverine usually has the odds in his favor with his mutant powers, so he doesn't need to do that so much.

Plus, if you're pulling "Punisher beat Wolverine, so he can beat normal people," I'll pull "Big Boss beat The Boss with CQC only, so he can beat almost everyone."

And that's really, really, really hard to do on Extreme.

Split said:
Solid Snake = Snake Bliskin = overall B.A.
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*wikipedia, wikipedia:did you mean Snake Plissken?*

Big Boss = More like him(temporary Snake scar[instead of tattoo], eyepatch) = better than Solid Snake, according to you.
 
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Wolverine actually thinks about what he's going to do, despite what is seen in the movies. The fight with the Punisher, was well thought out. Logan knew Frank's strengths and weaknesses and tried to use them against him. Frank was just better overall. Also, if i recall the fight between Big Boss and The Boss, you had to get close and knock her down and shoot her close range, which obviously isn't CQC only (hand to hand). I mean, you can defeat The Boss without weapons, but most people (including myself) shot her when she was down.
 
Big Boss, hands down. Even the specifically trained anti-snake, Python, got his butt kicked. and if this is Naked Snake we are talking about, more fit and battle-ready than his later persona as Big Boss, then doubly so.
 
IDigitalDeadI said:
Wolverine actually thinks about what he's going to do, despite what is seen in the movies. The fight with the Punisher, was well thought out. Logan knew Frank's strengths and weaknesses and tried to use them against him. Frank was just better overall. Also, if i recall the fight between Big Boss and The Boss, you had to get close and knock her down and shoot her close range, which obviously isn't CQC only (hand to hand). I mean, you can defeat The Boss without weapons, but most people (including myself) shot her when she was down.
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But it's still possible.
 
is this a 4 way fight or 1 v1
if its a 4 way fight then sam fisher would get owned by the punisher then the punisher would get whooped by solid snake then big boss would kill him
 
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