Jailbreak Stuff

[lex.]

Hi guys, I don't normally make threads though after playing JB for a bit and talking to some people about what changes they'd like to see and what not I feel a thread should be made for discussions and such. I love JB and I know tons of people still do, though sometimes the server doesn't feel it's in the best spot right now. This thread will not include mapping anything of the sorts as I know cs2 is not so great right now as a game and ruined a lot. Please be nice to each other and whatever and yeah thanks for reading and giving inputs!

1) Remove the paywall behind certain special days
- I believe people do not donate solely for the access to special days, and this leads to more frustration and less variety within jailbreak and removing this restriction will allow for more excitement and variety. People will donate if they enjoy the server and are having fun, we don't need to restrict things like this that are applied to everyone in the round that everyone enjoys DS or not.

Edit #1: I see a lot of people in the comments mentioning speed runners day, I like jii's response of making either a script so the same sd can't be repeated, or only keeping the restriction to speed runners day.

2) Admins, Commands, and such
REMINDER I AM NOT A STAFF MEMBER AND NEVER HAVE BEEN, THIS IS BASED OFF OF THE WORDS OF THOSE THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO, PLEASE CORRECT ME ON ANYTHING TY!
- After speaking to some staff members I believe there can be changes made to lead to a better environment for Jailbreak as well as staff as a whole.

- First, I believe the trainings given to all staff members should be improved and cover a wider range of situations.
Staff that I have spoken to privately have stated that they felt the training didn't cover enough, leaving them to feel lost or unsure of what to do in certain situations

- eG rank should be given /1up and /slay as basic commands.
These commands are not abusive, and if you believe they would be abused remove the ability to slay or 1up all. These commands are a necessity and quick fixes for mishaps that happen within the server. It allows Ts to be revived and continue playing as well as a punishment to be handed to CTs without having to swap them to spectator. Plus, if you're giving eG members the perms to swap to spectator, why shouldn't they be able to slay? It's less bad to slay in my opinion than moving to spectator. Currently based on my experience, there is almost no punishment for freekills or anything and it makes the server feel kinda bleh. People are just told to swap instead of admins actually doing it themselves and fixing the problem instantly.

- Third option
I guess you could also go down the route of instead of giving people promotions based on them being active actually making sure they're up to date with the rules or allow them to apply for staff and have players within the community vote on if they believe someone is worthy and deserves staff. Give staff members the value of a +1 and give regular players the value of .5 on their votes, and have requirements for promotions for example x amount needed for promotion, and for higher rank promotions require a certain amount of +1s by those in management or whatever for them to move forward. (Just an idea, I don't agree with it and think things can be solved in other places that don't require an entire change of the promotion system)


3) Shop
- There should be a shop that allows you to purchase custom models, paintballs, trails, backpacks, and etc. you can either do this by allowing all players to gain a base amount of points for the shop every x amount of minutes (points for activity) and DS gains more points per tick as a donation bonus. Or, you restrict it to DS only and have tiers of shops for models and such based on their donation tier sort of what's done with titles.

4) CT
- I believe ALL cts should be required a microphone, and if you do not have one you are forced swap and if you continue to go CT without a microphone you are CT banned. I believe having no mic CTs leads to rounds ending half way through because the CTs with mics die, and it leaves wardens that are mute and do not communicate and the round falls apart and feels poor in quality.

- Secondly, I believe the requirement to go CT should be upped a tiny bit I forget what the time played requirement is, but it should be upped a bit more.

5) Weapon/Knife Skins
- All players should be allowed to skin their weapons and knives, I believe this is just a quality of life thing players would enjoy having.

6) DS
- DS should receive more titles, as well as perks (For example as stated above with the shop)
- Plus on the donation page as shown below, there should be a link that leads you to a forum page or something of the sorts that shows you what you will receive as titles for your purchase. It may be elsewhere on the forums, though this is just a QOL thing.

This is all I had to say, I might edit this as more comes to mind, again, please add any corrections to my post below and discuss things with each other! We're all here to make the server better, though please be respectful towards everyone and not flame each other for opinions, we all have the same end goal. Thanks guys!

 

[jii]

1) Remove the paywall behind special days
- I believe people do not donate solely for the access to special days, and this leads to more frustration and less variety within jailbreak and removing this restriction will allow for more excitement and variety. People will donate if they enjoy the server and are having fun, we don't need to restrict things like this that are applied to everyone in the round that everyone enjoys DS or not.

The point of the SD paywall was to stop a few people from always calling speedrun day, which made the server unenjoyable as heck, I would be opposed to this unless a restriction on repeated SD modes is added

2) Admins, Commands, and such
REMINDER I AM NOT A STAFF MEMBER AND NEVER HAVE BEEN, THIS IS BASED OFF OF THE WORDS OF THOSE THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO, PLEASE CORRECT ME ON ANYTHING TY!
- After speaking to some staff members I believe there can be changes made to lead to a better environment for Jailbreak as well as staff as a whole.

- First, I believe the trainings given to all staff members should be improved and cover a wider range of situations.
Staff that I have spoken to privately have stated that they felt the training didn't cover enough, leaving them to feel lost or unsure of what to do in certain situations

Definitely, scenarios has been a pain-point for the AT team for the last few years and although some strides were made to resolve this, I believe it fell off the radar (again) - hopefully the future AT mgr can fix that

- eG rank should be given /1up and /slay as basic commands.
These commands are not abusive, and if you believe they would be abused remove the ability to slay or 1up all. These commands are a necessity and quick fixes for mishaps that happen within the server. It allows Ts to be revived and continue playing as well as a punishment to be handed to CTs without having to swap them to spectator. Plus, if you're giving eG members the perms to swap to spectator, why shouldn't they be able to slay? It's less bad to slay in my opinion than moving to spectator. Currently based on my experience, there is almost no punishment for freekills or anything and it makes the server feel kinda bleh. People are just told to swap instead of admins actually doing it themselves and fixing the problem instantly.

- Third option
I guess you could also go down the route of instead of giving people promotions based on them being active actually making sure they're up to date with the rules or allow them to apply for staff and have players within the community vote on if they believe someone is worthy and deserves staff. Give staff members the value of a +1 and give regular players the value of .5 on their votes, and have requirements for promotions for example x amount needed for promotion, and for higher rank promotions require a certain amount of +1s by those in management or whatever for them to move forward.

I am sorry but me doing css_slay <player> ; css_1up <player> ; css_slay <player> ; css_1up <player> ; css_slay <player> ; css_1up <player> many times back in the day has set a bad influence, and I think this will just be rife for abuse or annoyances by lower-rank admins who sometimes can't read the room. Honestly the old advisor rank would've been perfect for this (or just give it to ATs and Events)

3) Shop
- There should be a shop that allows you to purchase custom models, paintballs, trails, backpacks, and etc. you can either do this by allowing all players to gain a base amount of points for the shop every x amount of minutes (points for activity) and DS gains more points per tick as a donation bonus. Or, you restrict it to DS only and have tiers of shops for models and such based on their donation tier sort of what's done with titles.

agreed, custom model reqs would bring in alot of revenue just as it did in FiveM also (with none of the IP BS!)

4) CT
- I believe ALL cts should be required a microphone, and if you do not have one you are forced swap and if you continue to go CT without a microphone you are CT banned. I believe having no mic CTs leads to rounds ending half way through because the CTs with mics die, and it leaves wardens that are mute and do not communicate and the round falls apart and feels poor in quality.

- Secondly, I believe the requirement to go CT should be upped a tiny bit I forget what the time played requirement is, but it should be upped a bit more.

agreed, this is against the rules but its enforcement is lackluster at-best

5) Weapon/Knife Skins
- All players should be allowed to skin their weapons and knives, I believe this is just a quality of life thing players would enjoy having.

oppose for now, but would agree with if model shop was added, otherwise you were taking away a massive value-add (that has been around even in CSGO)

8) DS
- DS should receive more titles, as well as perks (For example as stated above with the shop)
- Plus on the donation page as shown below, there should be a link that leads you to a forum page or something of the sorts that shows you what you will receive as titles for your purchase. It may be elsewhere on the forums, though this is just a QOL thing.

agreed, surely Gabe adds it to the new DS settings page in MAUL



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[TheresHallow]

I think TheresHallow should be guarenteed warden every round

 

[Xandertron]

not many cases to use 1up, would probably disrupt the round if it was used regularly anyways

slay would be great, alternative is spec, which does the same thing, but doesnt move them back to t side

ct time requirement is more than enough as it is, ideally what would be nice is to prevent players with private profiles under a larger certain amount from queuing ct

 

[soupp]

1) Remove the paywall behind certain special days
- I believe people do not donate solely for the access to special days, and this leads to more frustration and less variety within jailbreak and removing this restriction will allow for more excitement and variety. People will donate if they enjoy the server and are having fun, we don't need to restrict things like this that are applied to everyone in the round that everyone enjoys DS or not.

I believe that there should at least be a restriction on speed runners day but other than that I agree with the removal of the paywall behind every other special day and giving wardens access to maybe a couple which just repeats the same special days over and over.

2) Admins, Commands, and such
REMINDER I AM NOT A STAFF MEMBER AND NEVER HAVE BEEN, THIS IS BASED OFF OF THE WORDS OF THOSE THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO, PLEASE CORRECT ME ON ANYTHING TY!
- After speaking to some staff members I believe there can be changes made to lead to a better environment for Jailbreak as well as staff as a whole.

- First, I believe the trainings given to all staff members should be improved and cover a wider range of situations.
Staff that I have spoken to privately have stated that they felt the training didn't cover enough, leaving them to feel lost or unsure of what to do in certain situations

- eG rank should be given /1up and /slay as basic commands.
These commands are not abusive, and if you believe they would be abused remove the ability to slay or 1up all. These commands are a necessity and quick fixes for mishaps that happen within the server. It allows Ts to be revived and continue playing as well as a punishment to be handed to CTs without having to swap them to spectator. Plus, if you're giving eG members the perms to swap to spectator, why shouldn't they be able to slay? It's less bad to slay in my opinion than moving to spectator. Currently based on my experience, there is almost no punishment for freekills or anything and it makes the server feel kinda bleh. People are just told to swap instead of admins actually doing it themselves and fixing the problem instantly.

- Third option
I guess you could also go down the route of instead of giving people promotions based on them being active actually making sure they're up to date with the rules or allow them to apply for staff and have players within the community vote on if they believe someone is worthy and deserves staff. Give staff members the value of a +1 and give regular players the value of .5 on their votes, and have requirements for promotions for example x amount needed for promotion, and for higher rank promotions require a certain amount of +1s by those in management or whatever for them to move forward. (Just an idea, I don't agree with it and think things can be solved in other places that don't require an entire change of the promotion system)

I also believe better training should be given to eG's and eGOs, I feel like there's alot more room for improvement here, but we lack the resources for it due to lack of an AT Manager. I also think the eG rank permissions are fine the way they are because of eGs only being interns, but I feel as if eGO's should help eG's more and actually teach them along the way and not leave everything to the eGs. There have been many times I've seen and eGO on, yet I'm doing most of the admining, and they're completely ignoring any of the issues. I think the promotion system is fine the way it is, though I have seen some people get promoted to eG and either they end up abusing their powers or are never on after that.

3) Shop
- There should be a shop that allows you to purchase custom models, paintballs, trails, backpacks, and etc. you can either do this by allowing all players to gain a base amount of points for the shop every x amount of minutes (points for activity) and DS gains more points per tick as a donation bonus. Or, you restrict it to DS only and have tiers of shops for models and such based on their donation tier sort of what's done with titles.

I agree with this, I think it would make the server pop more and give us more things to work with if this were a DS only thing, I think it would be cool to have custom models and trails though I am afraid of it lagging the server due to the server lagging even when there's over fifty people on.

4) CT
- I believe ALL cts should be required a microphone, and if you do not have one you are forced swap and if you continue to go CT without a microphone you are CT banned. I believe having no mic CTs leads to rounds ending half way through because the CTs with mics die, and it leaves wardens that are mute and do not communicate and the round falls apart and feels poor in quality.

- Secondly, I believe the requirement to go CT should be upped a tiny bit I forget what the time played requirement is, but it should be upped a bit more.

I think the time requirement for CT should be upped a bit because most people just join CT so they don't have the chance of dying and get to kill people. Likewise, I think that the rule of if at least several CTS or more have a mic then not all of them have to have one is decent because some people can't afford mics or just don't feel comfortable talking due to some members making fun of others, especially on the jailbreak server, but it shouldn't prevent them from being able to play the CT side at all.

5) Weapon/Knife Skins
- All players should be allowed to skin their weapons and knives, I believe this is just a quality of life thing players would enjoy having.

Yeah, I think this is a good quality of life thing, though I think if this was implemented a lot of people wouldn't use it or would just complain of the bugs/lag that could come with it.

8) DS
- DS should receive more titles, as well as perks (For example as stated above with the shop)
- Plus on the donation page as shown below, there should be a link that leads you to a forum page or something of the sorts that shows you what you will receive as titles for your purchase. It may be elsewhere on the forums, though this is just a QOL thing.
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I definitely think DS should receive more than what they're paying for (at least in the top, more expensive tiers) and there should be a forum post that shows what you're getting more in depth before you actually purchase it.

 

[lex.]

not many cases to use 1up, would probably disrupt the round if it was used regularly anyways

slay would be great, alternative is spec, which does the same thing, but doesnt move them back to t side

ct time requirement is more than enough as it is, ideally what would be nice is to prevent players with private profiles under a larger certain amount from queuing ct

My thought process is if you slay for freekill, you would 1up the T that was slain and allow them to return to stack or whatever it may be. Though I get your point! It would be disruptive to some extents, though I understand jii's response as well and it was a frustration that I dealt with back in go as well, and maybe only certain people should have it or whatever

 

[KumQuat]

My opinion (for what's it worth) on these.

1)
- Special Days are still allowed but, some days are restricted to those who do not have DS. In my opinion, there should be no pay wall to !SD. If people call speedrun too often, then there should just be a cool down for !SD's that are used too frequently. You might as well get rid of speedrun days, since it is only allowed for $10/month (gold) ds players to call as warden. It seems desperate to require players, who actually warden, to pay to provide the entire server with different varieties of gameplay.

2)
- If I'm not mistaken, eg's can kick/mute/swap/spec/gag regular players. If an EGO is on, these perms don't seem to change and an eg can still preform these actions even with an afk ego online.

- I do agree that admins are more lenient on regular players for swapping. This has been a trend since the dawn of JB unfortunately. Regardless, if an admin see's behavior worth swapping, then they should just put the command in and swap. Perhaps this should be covered in more detail for AT's

- We used to have server retraining's once upon a time. This was where existing ego's eg's, hell even managers would be retrained for specific game groups. The retraining would also include any new rules that old ego's didn't follow. Retraining was helpful for new and existing admins, especially when it came to consistency in admining overall. I don't think we really do this anymore and believe we should.

3)
- While people seem to enjoy custom knives, there are mixed opinions on a shop that will allow trails, models, etc. Some think it will clutter the server and would rather enjoy the simplicity. But, some do like it. This is something that could be discussed in a future game wide discussion or forum post to see what players want.

4)
- I do agree with CT's needing a mic to be required. However, It could also be circumstantial. If an admin notices a guard who gets warden often and they have no mic, then they should definitely be swapped. However when there's a full server and a guard without a mic is on and not really affecting anyone, then maybe it's ok. I think this should fall on admin discretion.

5)
- I honestly like the current !knife system. I think it allows players (other than ds) to flex their skins, while still allowing players without skins to only have access to the vanilla knifes.

6)
- Yes, more titles for DS!! People like individuality. Sucks when you chose a DS title then realize 3 other people have that same title.
- The donation page does a pretty good job of what DS members receive. But I do agree that the donation page should specifically show what titles, perks, gun skins, etc. you receive.

 

[Sanukayuni]

yes

 

[jii]

KumQuat said what i said but smarter

 

[vPig]

Give me my cockroach tag back and nothing else matters