So I was playing World in Conflict a couple days ago, and I got to wondering. Could Russia really stand up against the United States of Americas army? For those of you who don't know what World in Conflict is its a strategy game in which the Cold War never ended and Russia surprise attacks the US using cargo ships filled with troops attacking Seattle. What do you guys think?
The Might of Russia
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Well, you know I'd be rooting for us, but I just dont know enough about Russia to have a really good opinion.
Well, from what I understand the Soviet Union had a hard time keeping control of it's total armed forces. Throughout the Cold War, the USSR focused on nuclear ambitions to counteract the US's. With this in mind, they left little room for military upgrading. The United States has a better economy (at the time) and better production than the communist nation's. But that's just my understanding.
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A decade or so after world war 2, the USSR had created nuclear bombs 50 (yes fifty) times more powerful than the ones used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Not to mention the ability to persuade neighboring countries to follow them into the USSR. The USSR even had about 1/5 of the total land on Earth, so they had a lot more space than the US and NATO. And don't forget about the manpower, the USSR had more soldiers than the US could even cope with. PLUS the USSR had Cuba while the US only had Turkey. Sure both were great but Cuba was a lot closer to our lines than Turkey was to their's.
If you want to know a neat little fact about the USSR during the cold war, here goes. Nikita Kruschev's hardest achievement was keeping the Russian Cossacks under control, nearly every single one of them wanted to turn it into a full blown war with America but Kruschev kept them from making that mistake.
Russia and America were VERY evenly matched during the Cold War, who knows what it'd been if it never stopped. !borg
If you want to know a neat little fact about the USSR during the cold war, here goes. Nikita Kruschev's hardest achievement was keeping the Russian Cossacks under control, nearly every single one of them wanted to turn it into a full blown war with America but Kruschev kept them from making that mistake.
Russia and America were VERY evenly matched during the Cold War, who knows what it'd been if it never stopped. !borg
No chance. The USSR had a pitiful navy with no warm water port. Lack of a warm port is a big problem if one wants a decent navy. To project power beyond the range of ones guns one must have a large carrier capability. Otherwise that navy is just a 'frigate navy' and not a serious threat. The USA has had for years a larger carrier force that the total amount of all the worlds naval power. Lack of an ability to project power over a fifteen hundred mile radius that a carrier force gives you will seriously hamper any dreams of crossing the Pacific and landing an amphibious force in the Puget Sound. Lack of ariel cover would look like The Bay of Pigs all over again. And the comparisons between US armor vs Soviet armor would not be any more advantagous for the USSR. Bear in mind that in Gulf War 1 that the Iraqi army used almost exclusivly Soviet weapons and tactics. The Soviet army st this time was largely made up of the same weapon systems and heavy armor used by Sadams forces. There were many Soviet advisors and observers who did not like what they saw occuring on the battlefield in regard to how their tanks held up to the M1 Abrams and how the stealth bombers and fighters went right through the radar nets supplied by the Soviets.
russia perhps does not have the same technology...wait what am i talking about i have no idea! Russians perhaps could not hold out during the current war due to im guessing lack of alot of things. but b/c america is in a war right now we too would havea a problem. i hope it doesnt happen(another cold war thing). that would suck a lot. i wish we had the olympics sooner 
(no war during that time under the anfcent laws)
(no war during that time under the anfcent laws)Wow...I'm learning more reading this than i do in history class.
True that Knockers lol
Well, if you are talking about now, Russia has even more problems. They are a negative birth-rate country. After the cold war they lost half their population with the breakup of the old USSR. They no longer have a six hundred mile buffer between them and Western Europe because the Baltic States and Ukraine along with former East Germany and several other former satilite countries are no longer alligned with them. The old Russian strategy of giving up land for time as they did against Germany in WWII and Napolean in 1812 no longer applies. They also have a new old enemy. China. China covets the resourses in Siberia for her growing economy and population and would love to take it from a weakened Russia. Few people know this but China and the Soviet Union have had several border clashes in the 60s and 70s. This is a rivalry that goes back to the time of the great Khans and Tartars whose Golden Horde rode across the Steppes into present day Poland and Hungary.
Its a neat idea for a game i guess, totally unrealistic. The US would bend Russia over backwards... And I say this being of Russian decent.
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Bear in mind that in Gulf War 1 that the Iraqi army used almost exclusivly Soviet weapons and tactics. The Soviet army st this time was largely made up of the same weapon systems and heavy armor used by Sadams forces. There were many Soviet advisors and observers who did not like what they saw occuring on the battlefield in regard to how their tanks held up to the M1 Abrams and how the stealth bombers and fighters went right through the radar nets supplied by the Soviets.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa! Every book I've read tells me that the Iraqi troops in the Gulf War were completely supplied by American weapons and training. Iraq was fighting communism in Iran, we sided with Iraq because it was the lesser of two evils. We sent them our weapons and trainers to help them against the communists. I don't know where you heard about them being Soviets, but that's not true at all (Well I don't think it is anyway).
Bear in mind that in Gulf War 1 that the Iraqi army used almost exclusivly Soviet weapons and tactics. The Soviet army st this time was largely made up of the same weapon systems and heavy armor used by Sadams forces. There were many Soviet advisors and observers who did not like what they saw occuring on the battlefield in regard to how their tanks held up to the M1 Abrams and how the stealth bombers and fighters went right through the radar nets supplied by the Soviets.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa! Every book I've read tells me that the Iraqi troops in the Gulf War were completely supplied by American weapons and training. Iraq was fighting communism in Iran, we sided with Iraq because it was the lesser of two evils. We sent them our weapons and trainers to help them against the communists. I don't know where you heard about them being Soviets, but that's not true at all (Well I don't think it is anyway).
Yeah that is true about us supplying or giving aid to Iraq during it's war with Iran, but once we found out they were using mustard gas and other forms of bioweaponary against Iran, we could no longer support such acts that violate the international laws that we so feverishly abide by. But keep in mind that the Iraqi military's primary source of weaponary and munitions was given to them by the USSR. I'm talking about soviet tanks, weapons, weapons material, ect. We did contribute to some degree, but we would never give up classified material such as the abrams tank, the most powerful tank in the world to a non-NATO country. The military outlook on the USSR capabilities was never really discovered, because a full engagement on a military standard never took place. What we can say about an outcome of a everlasting Cold War, can only be described by speculations. We can safely say the US would have won by our American spirit alone. What's interesting about the US, is that any "war" that we've ever been in, we were never prepared for it and we still won all of them but you can argue about Vietnam. We were prepared to go to war with Russia, if we weren't prepared to go to war during the other ones, imagine if we went to war prepared.
While USA have nato Russia got the mightiest army in the world, im talking about the army of the rep of China. tehyve got over 3 mil. soldiers, however a war like on world in conflict will never happen because of the situation today. The "threat" to USA and nato are Iran and north korea, howeverr its surrealistic to imagine a war like that today. 16 years after the fall of ussr and the breaking of the iron carpet
even more capable.
Russia sits under a ton of resources.
They do not rely on anyone else to manufacture & design thier weapons.
They have a bunch of secret aircraft they dont want to reviel to anyone... New migs with experimental plasma stealth and all that stuff
you should check out the new AK 100's series I've never gotten to shoot one of them but i hear they are awsome.
Anywho This intrest is not blood at the moment. its thier enconomy.
Russia sits under a ton of resources.
They do not rely on anyone else to manufacture & design thier weapons.
They have a bunch of secret aircraft they dont want to reviel to anyone... New migs with experimental plasma stealth and all that stuff
you should check out the new AK 100's series I've never gotten to shoot one of them but i hear they are awsome.
Anywho This intrest is not blood at the moment. its thier enconomy.
The United States never really won the cold war that fast...
It only took 40 years ;D
Russia fight pretty hard
BUT actually at the moment they are fighting a war on terror themselfs
Chechenya terrorists
So both the US and Russia are fighing them... except CNN never really wants to say russia's fighing terrorists
It only took 40 years ;D
Russia fight pretty hard
BUT actually at the moment they are fighting a war on terror themselfs
Chechenya terrorists
So both the US and Russia are fighing them... except CNN never really wants to say russia's fighing terrorists
This thread is crazy, Cold War History 101!
The motherland will always succeed against American pig-dogs. There can be no question on that matter. SpetzNaz troops may be deployed anywhere in the world in a matter of hours, immediately counter-acting your capitalist scum-infested "Special" forces.
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Gentlemen, Thor and friends. The Iraqi army used what rifle? Our pals use M-16s or similar rifles. What do our enemies use? Did you answer 'AK-47s, one of the best infantry rifles ever invented!'?. If you did you would know that the USA does not suppy the AK to our buddies. Nor do we offer T-72 Tanks or BMPs which were made in the USSR. We also dont like to give away our Mustard Gas. That stuff has a Soviet serial number also. The Iraqi AF had a bunch of Dassault Mirage fighters bought from the French years ago. Again, not American. Their air defense consisted of SA-6 and SA-7 missle batteries. These are Soviet era systems. Its kind of funny how the myth of the Iraqi army using all American weaponry has taken hold and accepted as fact. Remember, armies whose standard issue infantry rifle is an AK-47 probably have not been geared up by Uncle Sam. A side note, the Ak was based on a popular weapon we use here on DoD. I am sure you can figure out which one.
