Just a question

Broadsword

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Hi,
This is my first post in years as I have just started playing on your servers again......and my old sig is still intact, how good does it get here:thumbup:
Really enjoying playing on the Ava server, my ping is not that hot but at 125 it is playable and I still get 260 fps so all is well.
I like to think that I play by the server rules and it is refreshing not to hear eveyone call each other ****** over their mics:)

I do find though that I cannot ( not that I have ) tell someone to shut up as I would be desrepcting them or griefing them, that's fine in aspect but on the other hand you blatantly let players have names that are inappropriate to the Dods game and symbols that are banned in most european countries.

I did have a chat with an admin ingame but i still think there are grey issues with this thing. I owned a European Dods server and the main thing that rattle most of the members was names that implied or referred to what happened in WW2. It didn't really worry or bothered me but it was like lighting a fire under them if someone came on with a swastika or riun in their name.
So I thought I would just ask how you stand as a communty on this.

In germany I beleive it is a prisonable offence, and I am aware that you can write about them as a historical topic.

Here are some examples:
http://stats.edge-gamers.com/hlstats.php?mode=playerinfo&player=247655

http://stats.edge-gamers.com/hlstats.php?mode=search&game=dods&st=player&q=I+hate+jews

http://stats.edge-gamers.com/hlstats.php?mode=search&q=Adolf+hitler&st=player&game=dods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_§_86a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_rune
 
I concur! EGO does not execute high standards for player names. All players with unpronounceable names or HATE names should be asked to leave the game by and EGO admin.
 
I concur! EGO does not execute high standards for player names. All players with unpronounceable names or HATE names should be asked to leave the game by and EGO admin.

I'm sorry Freakwent.Failure but you are absolutely positively WRONG! The admins of the DoD:S Division hold the highest of standards in regards to DoD:S and all aspects related to the game including Game Chat, Mic Chat, and Player Names.

With your reasoning above, if I were to go to someone who can't speak english well, and ask them to pronounce your name, and if they can't, I have the authority to kick and ban you off the servers.

I'm sorry Freakwent.Failure, that is NOT how we run our servers. We do not admin for the sake of admining. We admin when necessary and only with valid reason. If you would like to discuss this further, please come find me on Ventrilo and/or PM me on the forums. But I assure you, that we do hold the highest of standards in regards to admining ingame.




Hi,
This is my first post in years as I have just started playing on your servers again......and my old sig is still intact, how good does it get here:thumbup:
Really enjoying playing on the Ava server, my ping is not that hot but at 125 it is playable and I still get 260 fps so all is well.
I like to think that I play by the server rules and it is refreshing not to hear eveyone call each other ****** over their mics:)

I do find though that I cannot ( not that I have ) tell someone to shut up as I would be desrepcting them or griefing them, that's fine in aspect but on the other hand you blatantly let players have names that are inappropriate to the Dods game and symbols that are banned in most european countries.

I did have a chat with an admin ingame but i still think there are grey issues with this thing. I owned a European Dods server and the main thing that rattle most of the members was names that implied or referred to what happened in WW2. It didn't really worry or bothered me but it was like lighting a fire under them if someone came on with a swastika or riun in their name.
So I thought I would just ask how you stand as a communty on this.

In germany I beleive it is a prisonable offence, and I am aware that you can write about them as a historical topic.

Here are some examples:
http://stats.edge-gamers.com/hlstats.php?mode=playerinfo&player=247655

http://stats.edge-gamers.com/hlstats.php?mode=search&game=dods&st=player&q=I+hate+jews

http://stats.edge-gamers.com/hlstats.php?mode=search&q=Adolf+hitler&st=player&game=dods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_§_86a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_rune


To address your question/comment C-Breeze, I will state this. The swastika, although banned in Germany (for recreational use), is not solely associated with hate or the Nazi Regime. In fact, it was used by many other cultures/societies before the Nazi Third Reich. We allow it on our servers because of the relevance of the historical time. Furthermore, the symbol itself is not racist or hateful. We tell our admins that the symbol itself is allowed, however, if the player exhibits any behavior needing admining, to do so swiftly.

Furthermore, I shall leave you with some nice swift reading brought to you by snipeye in a related thread discussing the same issue.

Just so you remember. The swastika was originally used in religions, and its design was "stolen" to represent the Neo-Nazi party.

And a nice search on Google and Wiki shows:

Historical use in the East

The swastika is a historical sacred symbol in Indian religions. It first appears in the archaeological record here around[21] 2500 BC in the Indus Valley Civilization. It rose to importance in Buddhism during the Mauryan Empire and in Hinduism with the decline of Buddhism in India during the Gupta Empire. With the spread of Buddhism, the Buddhist swastika reached Tibet and China. The symbol was also introduced to Balinese Hinduism by Hindu kings. The use of the swastika by the B?n faith of Tibet, as well as later syncretic religions, such as Cao Dai of Vietnam and Falun Gong of China, can also be traced to Buddhist influence.

Buddhism

Buddhism originated in the 5th century BCE and spread throughout the Indian subcontinent in the 3rd century BCE (Maurya Empire).

The swastika symbol (right-hand) is alleged to have been stamped on Gautama Buddha's chest by his initiates after his death. It is known as The Heart's Seal. The swastika figures on the Pillars of Ashoka.

With the Silk Road transmission of Buddhism, the Buddhist swastika spread to Tibet and China.

Known as a "yung drung" in ancient Tibet, it was a graphical representation of eternity.

The paired swastika symbols are included, at least since the Liao Dynasty, as part of the Chinese language, the symbolic sign for the character 萬 or 万 (w?n in Mandarin, man in Korean, Cantonese and Japanese, vạn in Vietnamese) meaning "all" or "eternality" (lit. myriad) and as 卐, which is seldom used. The swastika marks the beginning of many Buddhist scriptures. The swastika (in either orientation) appears on the chest of some statues of Gautama Buddha and is often incised on the soles of the feet of the Buddha in statuary.

Hinduism
Swastika on the doorstep of an apartment in Maharashtra, India

The swastika is one of the 108 symbols of Hindu deity Vishnu and represents the Sun's rays, upon which life depends. Its use as a Sun symbol can first be seen in its representation of the god Surya. The swastika is used in all Hindu yantras and religious designs.[citation needed]

Swastika is also considered as a symbolic representation of Ganesha, in Hinduism. Ganesha as per Hindu rites is offered first offerings and as such in every pooja, at first Swastika is made with Sindoor during any religious rites of Hindu.

Among the Hindus of Bengal, it is common to see the name "swastika" (Bengali: স্বস্তিক shostik) applied to a slightly different symbol, which has the same significance as the common swastika, and both symbols are used as auspicious signs. This symbol looks something like a stick figure of a human being.[24]


Jainism
Jain swastika

Jainism gives even more prominence to the swastika than does Hinduism. It is a symbol of the seventh Jina (Saint), the Tirthankara Suparsva. In the Svetambar (Devanagari: श्वेताम्बर) Jain tradition, it is also one of the symbols of the ashta-mangalas. It is considered to be one of the 24 auspicious marks and the emblem of the seventh arhat of the present age. All Jain temples and holy books must contain the swastika and ceremonies typically begin and end with creating a swastika mark several times with rice around the altar.

Jains use rice to make a swastika (also known as "Saathiyo" or "Saathiya" in the state of Gujarat, India) in front of statues in a temple. Jains then put an offering on this swastika, usually a ripe or dried fruit, a sweet (Hindi: मिठाई, Mithai), or a coin or currency note.

Iran
Golden necklace of three Swastikas found in Marlik, Gilan Province Iran, dates back to first millennium B.C.

In Iran, Golden necklace of three Swastika in Marlik, Gilan province Iran, dates back to first millennium B.C probably symbolising Indian influence there.

Other Asian traditions

During the Chinese Tang Dynasty, Empress Wu Zetian (684-704) decreed that the swastika would be used as an alternative symbol of the Sun.

The Mandarin "wan" is a homophone for the number 10,000 and is commonly used to represent the whole of Creation, e.g. 'the myriad things' in the Dao De Jing.

In Japan, the swastika is called manji. Since the Middle Ages, it has been used as a coat of arms by various Japanese families such as Tsugaru clan, Hachisuka clan or around 60 clans that belong to Tokugawa clan.[25] On Japanese maps, a swastika (left-facing and horizontal) is used to mark the location of a Buddhist temple. The right-facing manji is often referred to as the gyaku manji (逆卍, lit. "reverse manji") or migi manji (右卍, lit. "right manji") , and can also be called kagi jūji (literally "hook cross").

In Chinese and Japanese art, the swastika is often found as part of a repeating pattern. One common pattern, called sayagata in Japanese, comprises left- and right-facing swastikas joined by lines. As the negative space between the lines has a distinctive shape, the sayagata pattern is sometimes called the "key fret" motif in English.
[edit] Native American traditions
Chilocco Indian Agricultural School basketball team in 1909
S.E.C.C. design from Oklahoma

The swastika shape was used by some Native Americans. It has been found in excavations of Mississippian-era sites in the Ohio and Mississippi River valleys. It is frequently used as a motif on objects associated with the Southeastern Ceremonial Complex (S.E.C.C.). It was also widely used by many southwestern tribes, most notably the Navajo. Among various tribes, the swastika carried different meanings. To the Hopi it represented the wandering Hopi clan; to the Navajo it was one symbol for a whirling log (tsil no'oli), a sacred image representing a legend that was used in healing rituals (after learning of the Nazi association, the Navajo discontinued use of the symbol). A brightly colored First Nations saddle featuring swastika designs is on display at the Royal Saskatchewan Museum in Canada.

A swastika shape is a symbol in the culture of the Kuna people of Kuna Yala, Panama. In Kuna tradition, it symbolizes the octopus that created the world; its tentacles, pointing to the four cardinal points.

In February, 1925, the Kuna revolted vigorously against Panamanian suppression of their culture, and assumed autonomy in 1930; the flag they adopted at that time is based on the swastika shape, and remains the official flag of Kuna Yala. A number of variations on the flag have been used over the years: red top and bottom bands instead of orange were previously used, and in 1942 a ring (representing the traditional Kuna nose-ring) was added to the center of the flag to distance it from the symbol of the Nazi party.
[edit] Historical use in the West

In Bronze Age Europe, the "Sun cross" (a three- or four-armed hooked cross in a circle) appears frequently, often interpreted as a solar symbol. Swastika shapes have been found on numerous artifacts from Iron Age Europe (Greco-Roman, Illyrian, Etruscan, Baltic, Celtic, Germanic, Georgian Bordjgali and Slavic). This prehistoric use seems to be reflected in the appearance of the symbol in various folk cultures of Europe.

Antiquity
Greco-Roman antiquity
Ancient Achean "doll" with human, solar and tetragammadion (swastika) symbols. Louvre Museum, Paris.
Greek helmet with swastika marks on the top part (circled), 350-325 BC from Taranto, found at Herculanum. Cabinet des M?dailles, Paris.
Etruscan pendant with swastika symbols, Bolsena, Italy, 700-650 BCE. Louvre Museum.
Hands of God, a symbol of early ethnic pre-Christian religions in central Europe

Ancient Greek architectural, clothing and coin designs are replete with single or interlinking swastika motifs. There are also found gold plate fibulae from the 8th century BC decorated with an engraved swastika.[31] Related symbols in classical Western architecture include the cross, the three-legged triskele or triskelion and the rounded lauburu. The swastika symbol is also known in these contexts by a number of names, especially gammadion.

In Greco-Roman art and architecture, and in Romanesque and Gothic art in the West, isolated swastikas are relatively rare, and the swastika is more commonly found as a repeated element in a border or tessellation. The swastika often represented perpetual motion, reflecting the design of a rotating windmill or watermill. A meander of connected swastikas makes up the large band that surrounds the Augustan Ara Pacis. A design of interlocking swastikas is one of several tessellations on the floor of the cathedral of Amiens, France. A border of linked swastikas was a common Roman architectural motif, and can be seen in more recent buildings as a neoclassical element. A swastika border is one form of meander, and the individual swastikas in such a border are sometimes called Greek keys.

Celtic antiquity

The bronze frontspiece of a ritual pre-Christian (c. 350-50 BC) shield found in the River Thames near Battersea Bridge (hence "Battersea Shield") is embossed with 27 swastikas in bronze and red enamel. An Ogham stone found in Anglish, Co Kerry (CIIC 141) was modified into an early Christian gravestone, and was decorated with a cross patt?e and two swastikas. At the Northern edge of Ilkley Moor in West Yorkshire, there is a swastika-shaped pattern engraved in a stone known as the Swastika Stone.

Germanic antiquity
Main article: Swastika (Germanic Iron Age)

The swastika shape (also called a fylfot) appears on various Germanic Migration Period and Viking Age artifacts, such as the 3rd century V?rl?se Fibula from Zealand, Denmark, the Gothic spearhead from Brest-Litovsk, Russia, the 9th century Snoldelev Stone from Rams?, Denmark, and numerous Migration Period bracteates drawn left-facing or right-facing.
A comb with a Swastika found in Nydam Mose, Denmark

The pagan Anglo-Saxon ship burial at Sutton Hoo, England, contained numerous items bearing the swastika, now housed in the collection of the Cambridge Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology. The Swastika is clearly marked on a hilt and sword belt found at Bifrons in Kent, in a grave of about the 6th century.

Hilda Ellis Davidson theorized that the swastika symbol was associated with Thor, possibly representing his hammer Mjolnir - symbolic of thunder - and possibly being connected to the Bronze Age sun wheel. Davidson cites "many examples" of the swastika symbol from Anglo-Saxon graves of the pagan period, with particular prominence on cremation urns from the cemeteries of East Anglia. Some of the swastikas on the items, on display at the Cambridge Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, are depicted with such care and art that, according to Davidson, it must have possessed special significance as a funerary symbol. The runic inscription on the 8th-century S?b? sword has been taken as evidence of the swastika as a symbol of Thor in Norse paganism.

Pre-Christian Europe and folk culture
Baltic

The swastika is one of the most common symbols used throughout Baltic art. In Latvian the symbol is known as either Ugunskrusts, the "Fire cross" (rotating counter-clockwise), or Pērkonkrusts, the "Thunder cross" (rotating clock-wise), and was mainly associated with Pērkons, the god of Thunder and justice. It was also occasionally related to the Sun, as well as Dievs (the god of creation), Laima (the goddess of destiny and fate). The swastika is featured on many distaffs, dowry chests, cloths and other items. It is most intricately developed in woven belts.

Slavic
Swastika in Kruszwica, Poland

The swastika shape was also present in pre-Christian Slavic mythology. It was dedicated to the sun god Svarog (Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian Сварог) and called kolovrat, (Slovenian kolovrat, Bosnian kolovrat, Croatian kolovrat, Polish kołowr?t, Belarusian колаўрат, Russian and Ukrainian коловорот, Serbian коловрат/kolovrat) or swarzyca. In early medieval Europe, the use of swastikas for decoration of pottery and other wares was most frequent in Slavic lands. It first appears within the context of Slavic artefacts in the lower Danube region (modern Wallachia and Moldavia) where early Slavs had contacts with Sarmatian peoples. This practice was then not merely adopted, but "transformed into a new, distinct quality of the symbolic culture of the Slavs."

For the Slavs the swastika is a magic sign manifesting the power and majesty of the sun and fire. It was usually called "The wheel of Svarog." It was often used as an ornament decorating ritualistic utensils of a cult cinerary urns with ashes of the dead.It was the symbol of power (the swastika seen on the coins of Mieszko I) both lay and divine, because it was often placed on altars in pagan temples.

At the start of the Renaissance, swastika ornaments disappeared from utensils but swastikas were being used by Slavs. It became a popular ornament on Easter eggs and in wayside shrines in folk culture. This ornament still existed in 1940-50.

Sami

An object very much like a hammer or a double axe is depicted among the magical symbols on the drums of Sami shamans, used in their religious ceremonies before Christianity was established. The name of the Sami thunder god was Horagalles, thought to be derived from "Old Man Thor" (??rr karl'). Sometimes on the drums, a male figure with a hammer-like object in either hand is shown, and sometimes it is more like a cross with crooked ends, or a swastika.

Medieval and early modern Europe
A mandala-like meditative image from the Kabbalistic work "Parashat Eliezer"
The swastika mark on the tower of Armenian fortress Ani (10th century AD)

In Christianity, the swastika is used as a hooked version of the Christian Cross, the symbol of Christ's victory over death. Some Christian churches built in the Romanesque and Gothic eras are decorated with swastikas, carrying over earlier Roman designs. Swastikas are prominently displayed in a mosaic in the St. Sophia church of Kiev, Ukraine dating from the 12th century. They also appear as a repeating ornamental motif on a tomb in the Basilica of St. Ambrose in Milan. A proposed direct link between it and a swastika floor mosaic in the Cathedral of Our Lady of Amiens, which was built on top of a pagan site at Amiens, France in the 13th century, is considered unlikely. The stole worn by a priest in the 1445 painting of the Seven Sacraments by Roger van der Weyden presents the swastika form simply as one way of depicting the cross. Swastikas also appear on the vestments on the effigy of Bishop William Edington (d. 1366) in Winchester Cathedral.

In the Polish First Republic the symbol of the swastika was also popular with the nobility. According to chronicles, the Rus' prince Oleg, who in the 9th century attacked Constantinople, nailed his shield (which had a large red swastika painted on it) to the city's gates. Several noble houses, e.g. Boreyko, Borzym, and Radziechowski from Ruthenia, also had Swastikas as their coat of arms. The family reached its greatness in the 14th and 15th centuries and its crest can be seen in many heraldry books produced at that time. The Swastika was also a heraldic symbol, for example on the Boreyko coat of arms, used by noblemen in Poland and Ukraine. In the 19th century the swastika was one of the Russian empire's symbols; it was even placed in coins as a background to the Russian eagle.

An unusual swastika, composed of the Hebrew letters Aleph and Resh, appears in the 18th century Kabbalistic work "Parashat Eliezer" by Rabbi Eliezer Fischl of Strizhov, a commentary on the obscure ancient eschatological book "Karnayim", ascribed to Rabbi Aharon of Kardina. The symbol is enclosed by a circle and surrounded by a cyclic hymn in Aramaic. The hymn, which refers explicitly to the power of the Sun, as well as the shape of the symbol, shows strong solar symbolism. According to the book, this mandala-like symbol is meant to help a mystic to contemplate on the cyclic nature and structure of the Universe. The letters are the initial and final characters of the Hebrew word, אוֹר, or "light".

Freemasons also gave the swastika symbol importance. In medieval Northern European Runic Script, a counter-clockwise swastika denotes the letter 'G,' and could stand for the important Freemason terms God, Great Architect of the Universe, or Geometry.
[edit] Western use in the early 20th century
Main article: Western use of the swastika in the early 20th century
The aviator Matilde Moisant (1878-1964) wearing a swastika medallion in 1912; the symbol was popular as a good luck charm with early aviators

In the Western world, the symbol experienced a resurgence following the archaeological work in the late 19th century of Heinrich Schliemann, who discovered the symbol in the site of ancient Troy and associated it with the ancient migrations of Proto-Indo-Europeans. He connected it with similar shapes found on ancient pots in Germany, and theorized that the swastika was a "significant religious symbol of our remote ancestors", linking Germanic, Greek and Indo-Iranian cultures.[48][49] By the early 20th century, it was used worldwide and was regarded as a symbol of good luck and success.

The work of Schliemann soon became intertwined with the v?lkisch movements, for which the swastika was a symbol of the "Aryan race", a concept that came to be equated by theorists such as Alfred Rosenberg with a Nordic master race originating in northern Europe. Since its adoption by the National Socialist German Worker's Party of Adolf Hitler, the swastika has been associated with Nazism, fascism, racism (white supremacy), the Axis powers in World War II, and the Holocaust in much of the West. The swastika remains a core symbol of Neo-Nazi groups, and is used regularly by activist groups to signify their opinion of supposed Nazi-like behavior of organizations and individuals they oppose.
Carlsberg's Elephant Tower

The Benedictine choir school at Lambach Abbey, Upper Austria, which Hitler attended for several months as a boy, had a swastika chiseled into the monastery portal and also the wall above the spring grotto in the courtyard by 1868. Their origin was the personal coat of arms of Abbot Theoderich Hagn of the monastery in Lambach, which bore a golden swastika with slanted points on a blue field. The Lambach swastika is probably of Medieval origin. The Danish brewery company Carlsberg Group used the swastika as a logo from the 19th Century until the middle of the 1930s when it was discontinued because of association with the Nazi Party in neighbouring Germany. However, the swastika carved on elephants at the entrance gates of the company's headquarters in Copenhagen in 1901 can still be seen today.

The swastika is seen on binders of pre-Nazi era publications of works by Rudyard Kipling. Both left and right orientations were used.

Iceland

Eimskip (founded in 1914), a major import/export company in Iceland once used the swastika as their company logo. Although they have since replaced their logo, the swastika remained on their old headquarters, located in downtown Reykjav?k. As tourism to the country grew, it often became a subject of misunderstanding when foreign tourists targeted the building as a place of Nazi support and antisemitism.[citation needed] When the Radisson SAS hotel franchise bought the building, the company was banned from destroying the symbol since the building was on the list of historical sites in Iceland. A compromise was made when the company was allowed to cover the symbol with the numbers 1919 which was the year when the building was erected.

Ireland

The Swastika Laundry was a laundry founded in 1912, located on Shelbourne Road, Ballsbridge, a district of Dublin, Ireland. In the fifties Heinrich B?ll came across a van belonging to the company while he was staying in Ireland, leading to some awkward moments before he could realize the company was older than Nazism and totally unrelated to it. The chimney of the boiler-house of the laundry still stands, but the laundry has been redeveloped.

Finland
Variation of tursaansyd?n

In Finland the swastika was often used in traditional folk art products, as a decoration or magical symbol on textiles and wood. Certain types of symbols which incorporated the swastika were used to decorate wood; such symbols are called tursaansyd?n and mursunsyd?n in Finnish. Tursaansyd?n was often used until 18th century, when it was mostly replaced by a simple swastika.

The tursaansyd?n is used by scouts in some instances and a student organization. The village of Tursa uses the tursaansyd?n as a kind of a certificate of authenticity of products made there. Traditional textiles are still being made with swastikas as a part of traditional ornaments.
Present-day flag (from 1958) and its pole of the Training Air Wing with three swastikas
Suomen ilmavoimien esikunnan joukko-osastotunnus.svg Suomen ilmavoimien Lentosotakoulun joukko-osastotunnus.svg
Present-day brigade marks of the Finnish Air Force staff and the Training Air Wing

The Finnish Air Force uses the swastika as an emblem, originally introduced in 1918. The swastika was also used by the women's paramilitary organization Lotta Sv?rd, which was banned in 1944 in accordance with the Moscow Armistice between Finland and the allied Soviet Union and Britain.

The President of Finland is the grand master of the Order of the White Rose. According to the protocol, the president shall wear the Grand Cross of the White Rose with collar on formal occasions. The original design of the collar, decorated with 9 swastikas, dates from 1918 by the artist Akseli Gallen-Kallela. The Grand Cross with swastika collar has been awarded 41 times to foreign heads of state. To avoid misunderstandings, the swastika decorations were replaced by fir crosses at the decision of president Urho Kekkonen in 1963 after it became known that the President of France Charles De Gaulle was uncomfortable with the swastika collar.
Grootkruis en ster vredesklasse van het Vrijheidskruis.jpg

Also a design by Gallen-Kallela of 1918, the Cross of Liberty has a swastika pattern in its arms. The Cross of Liberty is depicted in the upper left corner of the standard of the President of Finland.[60] However, in the flag is only the Cross of Liberty of 3rd Class and overall, the highest Finnish decoration is the Grand Cross of the White Rose with Collar, not the Grand Cross of the Cross of Liberty. In the internal ranking the 1st class Mannerheim cross takes the second place after Grand Cross and the 2nd class Mannerheim cross takes the fourth place. The 2nd classa Mannerheim cross could be admitted to anyone regardless of the military rank and therefore it became the symbol of the common national goal related to fieldmarshal (1933-) Mannerheim, the later marshal of Finland (1942-). The same Cross of liberty with swastika is still seen in the coat of arms of Mikkeli which where the mashal Mannerheim and the general headquarters situated on both the Winter war and Continuation war.
Coat of arms on the town of Mikkeli

In December 2007, a silver replica of the WWII Finnish air defences relief ring decorated with swastika became available as a part of a charity campaign.[61]

The original war-time idea was that the public swap their precious metal rings for the State air defences relief ring, made of iron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

P.S. It can also be said that the Confederate flag could also represent slavery (but that's just to make a counter-argument).
 
As I said in the title, it was only a question.

*But only partially answered
 
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What wasn't answered? I think that what C-Whit said pretty much covered it. It seemed pretty thorough to me.
 
Applying what C-Whit said above, and consistent with Admin training, from your examples the name I hate Jews would be inappropriate and would not be permitted on our servers. The other names are acceptable. This all my opinion as an admin, subject to leadership confirmation or correction.
 
Applying what C-Whit said above, and consistent with Admin training, from your examples the name I hate Jews would be inappropriate and would not be permitted on our servers. The other names are acceptable. This all my opinion as an admin, subject to leadership confirmation or correction.

In addition, if you look through the people with the names "I hate Jews", none of them are active members on our servers. In fact, most of them are "inactive" and the rest have not logged onto our servers recently.

remember when you type in a generic word such as "jews" into the stat database, you're going to get everyone who ever used that name. This includes people who have been warned/kicked and even banned off our servers.

Thanks again guys.
 
Here is a list I put together after a few seconds. Per the site all the people are members of EGO. I get the point about being subjective and not controlling people's choices, but this is private property. It is EGO's task to ensure people can be a community. Trying to figure out someone's name during play should not require decryption. If any name can be interpreted to be demeaning, hateful or disrespectful that person should not be allowed to join or stay a member.


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Ac!dl!gou$
lcfrinduadmin
LOLZ in t3h FaCe o Death
LOL,LAWL,ROFL,LMAO
PoP'n'FrEsH
Qadaffi
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yousuckandyouhavenolife
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Here is a list I put together after a few seconds. Per the site all the people are members of EGO. I get the point about being subjective and not controlling people's choices, but this is private property. It is EGO's task to ensure people can be a community. Trying to figure out someone's name during play should not require decryption. If any name can be interpreted to be demeaning, hateful or disrespectful that person should not be allowed to join or stay a member.


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@Y928
ъ?Łтнαz?я
яαη†υяα
๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n
Ac!dl!gou$
lcfrinduadmin
LOLZ in t3h FaCe o Death
LOL,LAWL,ROFL,LMAO
PoP'n'FrEsH
Qadaffi
xflexxnl
yousuckandyouhavenolife
za--->L3Fty

Call me out of touch or an ignoramus perhaps, but after scanning this list, the only name that immediately sticks out to me as needing to be admined is "yousuckandyouhavenolife", since it is clearly disrespectful. Either due to them being in another language, or using uncommon slang/acronymns, I have no idea what the others mean.

But I would be very interested in hearing your take on why each and every one of the other names is "demeaning, hateful or disrespectful", if anything for my own education, and also so we can admin these names the next time we encounter them (if applicable).
 
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Yes Skippy,

I failed to articulate the other point of naming standards: Pronounce-ability. I not referring to difficult words I'm referring to obfuscation of a word or character sets that cannot be pronounced.

Prime examples restated for clarity:
?‡? ?—? Adio
@Y928
ъ?Łтнαz?я
яαη†υяα
๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n
Ac!dl!gou$
lcfrinduadmin



How does one introduce themselves to ๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n during a game? The name is obfuscated or encrypted to the point that it is gibberish.

Could someone in recruiting post the protocol for evaluating names and the acceptance/rejection criteria that is applied during the process?

The existence of a process, protocol, rejection/acceptance documentation would go a long way in changing my point of view. The lack of such documentation on the other hand would only enforce my point of view.
 
Here is a list I put together after a few seconds. Per the site all the people are members of EGO. I get the point about being subjective and not controlling people's choices, but this is private property. It is EGO's task to ensure people can be a community. Trying to figure out someone's name during play should not require decryption. If any name can be interpreted to be demeaning, hateful or disrespectful that person should not be allowed to join or stay a member.


=(e)=?„? 13u||et
?‡? ?—? Adio
@Y928
ъ?Łтнαz?я
яαη†υяα
๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n
Ac!dl!gou$
lcfrinduadmin
LOLZ in t3h FaCe o Death
LOL,LAWL,ROFL,LMAO
PoP'n'FrEsH
Qadaffi
xflexxnl
yousuckandyouhavenolife
za--->L3Fty


=(e)=?„? 13u||et - You want us to admin the word "bullet"?
?‡? ?—? Adio - Adio is um a shoe store?
$L@Y928 - Slay928. What's wrong with it?
ъ?Łтнαz?я - What does this mean?
яαη†υяα - Same as above.
๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n - Genghis tron is a band name from NY
Ac!dl!gou$ - Acid Gous or Acid Gas What's wrong with it?
lcfrinduadmin - mmm random letters?
LOLZ in t3h FaCe o Death - Lolz in the face of death
LOL,LAWL,ROFL,LMAO - simple internet language for "haha"
PoP'n'FrEsH - PoP N Fresh. What's wrong here?
Qadaffi - Qadaffi? What is this?
xflexxnl - again, don't think this means anything.
yousuckandyouhavenolife - questionable. Will need to know if he is directing this at someone specific.
za--->L3Fty - Lefty? really?

My point here is that having weird characters in your name as a pubber is NOT an admin-able offense. Let me be clear here, we do NOT admin these. Just because you cannot pronounce the name does not mean it is offensive or does it mean that it strews hatred.

We do not run that kind of server nor do we want to be associated with such a dictatorship. We run a server that welcomes all. If someone is blatantly strewing out hateful words and/or attitudes, they will be dealt with in a swift manner.

However, we do NOT admin for pronunciation.




Yes Skippy,

I failed to articulate the other point of naming standards: Pronounce-ability. I not referring to difficult words I'm referring to obfuscation of a word or character sets that cannot be pronounced.

Prime examples restated for clarity:
?‡? ?—? Adio
@Y928
ъ?Łтнαz?я
яαη†υяα
๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n
Ac!dl!gou$
lcfrinduadmin



How does one introduce themselves to ๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n during a game? The name is obfuscated or encrypted to the point that it is gibberish.

Could someone in recruiting post the protocol for evaluating names and the acceptance/rejection criteria that is applied during the process?

The existence of a process, protocol, rejection/acceptance documentation would go a long way in changing my point of view. The lack of such documentation on the other hand would only enforce my point of view.


If members would like to join eGO, they are limited to how many "special" characters they are allowed in their ingame names. This is a PSC matter and should not be a reason why you would avoid to help them join our community if they so choose.

If their names violate our character rule, the PSC will help them change their ingame names.
 
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Piggy-backing off of what C-Whit said above --

Yes Skippy,

I failed to articulate the other point of naming standards: Pronounce-ability. I not referring to difficult words I'm referring to obfuscation of a word or character sets that cannot be pronounced.

Prime examples restated for clarity:
?‡? ?—? Adio
@Y928
ъ?Łтнαz?я
яαη†υяα
๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n
Ac!dl!gou$
lcfrinduadmin



How does one introduce themselves to ๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n during a game? The name is obfuscated or encrypted to the point that it is gibberish.

Could someone in recruiting post the protocol for evaluating names and the acceptance/rejection criteria that is applied during the process?

The existence of a process, protocol, rejection/acceptance documentation would go a long way in changing my point of view. The lack of such documentation on the other hand would only enforce my point of view.

I think eGO's user name policy is spelled out pretty clearly here.

User Name Policy


Make sure your in-game name and forum name are the same.
Capitalization doesn't matter.

Special characters in forum or in-game names are not allowed
Special characters as those which cannot be typed on a USA keyboard without ALT-codes. Standard non-alphanumeric characters ($ % & ! “ { * etc) are allowed but should be kept to a minimum. For example, the name Bob! would be ok, but ☻Bob?? would not.


Your name must be eGO appropriate
We are more strict about member names than we are with public players. In other words, there are "gray" names we allow pubs to use that we would not allow from members. Feel free to ask an Advisor or Division Leader if you need clarification on borderline names.

Do not add a clan tag, i.e. =(e)=™, =(eG)=™, =(eGO)=™, or any other clan's tag, to your forum name.
However, while in-game, EdgeGamers members must have our tag in front and any other clan tag at the back of the player name.

COD players may use a maximum of 9 characters in-game. In order to keep your forum name and your in game name similar, use an abbreviated name.


Keep in mind that the user name you choose could be contested by a current member. Current members may contest names by placing a message in the Drop Box. Personnel Service Center (PSC) Division Leaders will make the decision on all contested names.

Bear in mind though, that the above applies only to eGO members/recruits. Pubs can use special 'alt' characters in their names, as long as their purpose is not to avoid easy identification by admins.

And I personally do not have an issue with names that cannot be pronounced, nor do I understand why it is necessarily a problem. If you encounter such a player, heck, give him a nickname, call him Bob, or simply ask him how his name is pronounced or what he would like to be called. Or just call him crazy symbol guy...
 
Yes Skippy,

I failed to articulate the other point of naming standards: Pronounce-ability. I not referring to difficult words I'm referring to obfuscation of a word or character sets that cannot be pronounced.

Prime examples restated for clarity:
·? ● Adio
@Y928
ъ?Łтнαz?я
яαη?υяα
๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n
Ac!dl!gou$
lcfrinduadmin



How does one introduce themselves to ๖ۣۜG3nghisTr0n during a game? The name is obfuscated or encrypted to the point that it is gibberish.

Could someone in recruiting post the protocol for evaluating names and the acceptance/rejection criteria that is applied during the process?

The existence of a process, protocol, rejection/acceptance documentation would go a long way in changing my point of view. The lack of such documentation on the other hand would only enforce my point of view.

In regards to the point about names during the application process,
We will not reject an application only based on how someone name was written, however when a user posts an application under a name with 'strange characters' such as the ones you have outlined above, we simply put the application on hold and ask the user to submit a name change request. We generally will not deny an application with one or two characters such as $, *, ! etc. However, when the characters are severely overused or when characters such as the ones in the names above are used, then we will ask for a name change. This process is to ensure that it is not to difficult to look up a user or find them on the forums. In short, if the characters are easily accessible by a standard keyboard (letters, numbers, !, @,# etc.) it should be fine. However, if the character requires a combination of keys to access, ( eg. ALT + 0153 = ? ) we generally request a name change. I hope this helps and if you require any further information in regards to the recruiting/application posting process, feel free to contact me via PM. ;)

-Cakeman

Edit: C-Whit and Skippy beat me to it. :laugh:
 
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Freakwent.Failure, if you have specific concerns about this, please come find me on ventrilo and/or PM me on the forums.

I'm sure this will remove any confusion that exists as well as addressing any specific concerns you may have.
 
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