DISCUSSION: Move Jail games out of Cell Block?

[Cryptex]

Fellow jail players, this poll and discussion thread has been constructed to allow the free exchange of ideas on a possible future jail guideline: forcing all games out of the cell block and into other areas.

This new jail "rule" will outlaw playing games in the cell block unless the cell block is physically required to allow the game to be played. This possible change was brought about by the increasing problem of "stale" rounds beginning and ending in the cell block of jail maps where wardens will play all of their games in the cell block and everyone becomes incredibly bored. Forcing all games to be played outside of the cell block in another area such as soccer field or pool will allow a couple of things:

• Better or more unique games due to change of environment
• Increased chance of rebellion by terrorists due to transfer between areas
• Terrorists decrease boredom due to increased movement and different games

What are your thoughts on this matter? Should a different rule be implemented? Should nothing be put in place because you believe it is a non-issue? Post your thoughts below!

-Cryptex

P.S. Keep the conversation ON TOPIC please. Trolling posts will be removed, think before you click.

 

[pandA.]

Yes! I like this
EDIT: Like what BuffHamster said. I think games in cell block sucks but should not be banned. im going for 50/50.

 

[FireHazard772]

Yes.

Reason?: You mentioned the reason(s) already on your post.

EDIT: slight change of thought - perhaps more in the middle now, but more lenient towards yes.

 

[BuffHamster]

Games in cell block suck, but I don't think they should be banned. Someone can take them all outside and just do lr/fr simon says all day. At least it's outside I guess!

 

[SKYLINEGTR]

I agree. Having games played in cell blocks are pretty repetitive and boring IMO.

Also, if played outside the cell blocks (i.e. soccer or pool) then there is more room for some T's to actually rebel and get the round moving and ended a lot quicker. I know that I find myself leaving the server a lot when most of the games are played in the cell blocks and there is no room to rebel because the CT's are safe and the games they play sometimes have no winner.

Love the suggestion Cryptex and completely support this change!

 

[XavierB]

I'll have to disagree on this one because there are a LOT of games that can be played in cell block that are quite fun and get the round moving like having a race, high/low sprays, spraying as close as you can to a line, match your skin and so on. There are also those sometimes fun sometimes annoying games like fr/lr and simon says that aren't the greatest but they do get the round moving by eliminating the ts.

What if you wanted to play a quick game to get an st like temptation but in order to do that you would have to move half way across the map to an open area where it suits the ts and the cts and then proceed with the game. And having games like fl/lr and simon says that apparently no one likes still playable, they can still be played out side or in an open area which will still bore the ts, not to mention the 30+ seconds it would take to shift/crouch walk there because most strict wardens don't order ts to run places.

Another down side to this is the dispute between players and admins will have when deciding whether or not an area is actually part of the cell block in maps like Black Ops, Oswald, Darkness, Prisonbreak, HandOfThrawn etc.

I don't think this rule should be set in place because most games that people dislike are played in cell block so the problem is not the location, it's the games.

 

[Bnewz]

I'd have to disagree too. Because even though there are wardens that just play lr/fr and Simon in cell block, there are other wardens that play fun and creative games in cells. If cell block games are banned, people are just going to move them a few steps out of cell block, tell them to line up, and play the exact same games.

 

[Space Cakes]

Its not the games in cellblock that is the problem its the creativity of the warden in general. if you stop someone from playing a boring game in cellblock chances most likely are they will play a game just as boring somewhere else. I dont think banning cellblock from games will change much. Everyone should just start to rebel in my honest opinion.... if you dont think the warden is fun make your own fun

 

[Mikkel]

So the way I see this is;
Some maps allow for games to be played in the cellblock, while others do not.
For instance, on ba_jail_prisonbreak_final the center cage is often used for various games but this is located in the center of the cellblock. Which makes a rule like this very had the enforce, since it would have to be different for each map. Making it awfully confusing for new players.

Another aspect of this is, it can be very difficult for the warden to move a large quantity of Terrorists without a rebellion. Lowering the numbers before moving them greatly helps the warden in my opinion.

tl;dr No.

 

[Dot350]

I'll have to disagree on this one because there are a LOT of games that can be played in cell block that are quite fun and get the round moving like having a race, high/low sprays, spraying as close as you can to a line, match your skin and so on. There are also those sometimes fun sometimes annoying games like fr/lr and simon says that aren't the greatest but they do get the round moving by eliminating the ts.

To me, all those games you mentioned are played so much that they have become boring. Like other people have said, if games in cell block are banned, wardens will simply move the Ts a step or two outside of cell block and then do the games.

I'd rather get rid of fr/lr and simon says. I've seen rounds where those two games were the only games played (and yeah, those stayed in cell block). Not to mention, it isn't that uncommon for the wrong people to get killed. Plus, it seems simon says has been causing trouble lately with people giving odd orders during it or not knowing that movement commands cancel it out. When trivia (which had became a boring game) was banned, it was replaced with simon says and fr/lr which are just as boring. At least trivia was sometimes able to be spiced up with people who did true trivia (not 2+2) where as simon says and fr/lr are the same thing everytime. Just my 2 cents.

 

[AkatsukiX]

Why just not one short mini-game on the cell block each round?

 

[XavierB]

To me, all those games you mentioned are played so much that they have become boring. Like other people have said, if games in cell block are banned, wardens will simply move the Ts a step or two outside of cell block and then do the games.

So if those games are boring to most people that just further displays why this rule shouldn't be enforced because they will just be played elsewhere anyway, still making them boring.

 

[neon.]

Disagree with the proposal and i agree wholeheartedly with Xavier. I personally think time shouldn't be wasted on this topic, but good to see some ideas being put forward!

 

[_MEGA]

I voted yes. Also, I think there should be a limit how many rounds in a row wardens should be allowed to play simon says, first reaction, and all of that because it is the same things every round. Our mappers work hard to add all the mini games such as climb, jump rope, soccer, and to be honest I hardly see them used and it seems that most wardens lack in creativity to try new games or use what the map has to offer.

Also Xavier, on your first post regarding ST. Don't give STs in the first place, problem solved. And also, all those games you mentioned, spray contest, match your skin, ect. you don't have to be in the cell block to play those games.

Mikkel, moving the large groups of Ts without them rebelling are the signs of a good warden. You have to know how to control large groups of Ts and move them safely across the map.

Space, I agree with you. Most people would rather complain about a round compared to rebelling. That is why freedays should be banned as well in my opinion. It removes the challenge of rebelling because CTs usually camp somewhere the Ts can't find them and then you have a war day which then makes CT un-fun and T boring due to the lack of a challenge.

My two cents.

Edit: To be honest, I would like to see first/last reaction and simon says banned because that is what most wardens do in the cell block, and removing those game will cause the wardens to move outside and use what is on the map like they should be creating a more enjoyable time for everyone!

 

[XavierB]

Also Xavier, on your first post regarding ST. Don't give STs in the first place, problem solved. And also, all those games you mentioned, spray contest, match your skin, ect. you don't have to be in the cell block to play those games.

The topic of Sts is a whole different argument and Sts will always be given by wardens until a different rule is set in place. And my point about those games that most people don't enjoy in cell block is that they will just be played elsewhere and be just as boring and the time taken getting to those locations will bore ts even more (Mostly shift/crouch walking half way across the map).

Mikkel, moving the large groups of Ts without them rebelling are the signs of a good warden. You have to know how to control large groups of Ts and move them safely across the map.

This rule that many people are voting for is to eliminate the Ts being bored in cell block playing boring games and yet you encourage making ts crouch/shift walk all over the map to play the same boring games without a rebellion. Moving the ts safely across the map without a rebellion is classified IMO as boring.

I do agree with you that Simon says and fr/lr should be banned though as they are not fun and they get nothing but complaints. This poll should be about whether or not to ban those games I think @_@.

The reason I am arguing my case so much in this thread is because I really do not want to see this rule set in place as I believe it will effect the jail server in a very negative way, making it less popular.

 

[RedDragonKnight]

The thing is, it would be much better even if the wardens only moved 1-2 feet out of cell block. It would give Ts who did not wish to play the same boring games every round the chance to rebel, which is what you are supposed to do. The majority of jail games aren't really fun, they are just a means to kill the Ts.

Rebelling is kind of the be all end all solution to jail. Don't like getting freekilled? rebel. Don't like doing boring games? rebel. Don't like being mowed down by last ct? rebel.

Playing games straight out of cells makes it impossible to rebel unless you have a vent cell or the CTs are just really bad, so even if it was just 1 foot out of cell block, thats just the opportunity most good Ts need to get gone.

To me, its not that the games are boring and will just be played elsewhere(rebel if you don't like it, simple), its that the Ts are forced to participate as there is absolutely no opportunity to ever rebel when you do games in cell block.


A lot of the reasons not to ban the cell block games are because people would... move out of cell block to do the games? I don't see the logic here.

 

[Rogue Sniper]

Okay so I'm seeing a lot of misreading and miscommunication going on here.

To clarify:

Games such as FR/LR, Simon Says, Temptation, etc ARE NOT going to be banned.

The rule is stating you must play them some where else such as soccer, pool, climb, cafeteria, outside, etc.

This allows the Terrorists an opportunity to rebel where as in cell block their options were severely limited.

Dr. Death pointed out Cell Block should only be used to do roll and make sure all Terrorists were accounted for and did not have any lethal weapons (guns, grenades, etc)

AGAIN THE GAMES ARE ONLY BEING ABLE TO BE PLAYED OUTSIDE THE CELL BLOCK IN A DIFFERENT AREA

THEY ARE NOT BEING BANNED!


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[Do i know you]

I voted yes! I think jail games should be moved outside of cellblock. I want to be able to rebel and not have to play games while in cell block. Makes me bored

Also, big text

 

[Raul Tha Monk]

Im ok with this but it will be harder for the Ct's

 

[Meowcenaries]

Maps are made for a reason, not to be put into cell block and waste the rest of the map. So yes, great suggestion.