New PC but don't know what build to go with

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drainey

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so my soending limit is $3000 ive recently went up from $2500 since ill have more money to spend than origanly thought.

so these are the builds pls give me
your opinion


link 1 http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DmqJ

link 2 http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Ds3g

link 3 http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Ds2F


pls give me your honest opinion. remeber i have 3000 dollar spending limit and im using this for primary gaming and home theater. and i have the 860 power supply for future sli setup. i like the build in link 2. ANNDDDDD ill be using 3 monitors for game play
 
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My choices:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DtaN

A good start, but some problems with your build(s).

  1. I added some higher quality thermal paste than what would come with your cpu cooler. For nearly $6 I think its a solid investment.

  2. I replaced your memory with some higher quality modules with slightly better timings. While slower in clock speed, you won't need anything faster than 1600 for gaming, and certainly nothing faster than the 1866 I chose.

  3. For storage I chose a small SSD for your OS, and a large SSD for your games/applications. While a more expensive way to go, its still well within your budget, and not a "waste" of money. If you really want to cheapen up this area, feel free to go with a larger non-SSD, but I would recommend a WD Caviar Black.

    As for your A-data SSD, that brand has not made a good name for itself in the SSD market. If you want a high quality SSD, stick with OCZ Vector or Samsung 800 Series.

  4. I chose a slightly diff video card for you with twice the VRAM, might be helpful down the road, especially if you delay on getting SLI going.

  5. I chose a much better case than what you had picked out. However, if you want to stick with cooler master, I would highly suggest the Cosmos II over the HAF, any day.

  6. I also replaced the PSU you chose. If you are buying a serious rig for anything, you need to choose the right brand of power supply, and SeaSonic is most likely not that brand. Stick with Antec, Corsair, and SilverStone. I have personally had great experiences with thermaltake's as well, but they have slipped in PSU efficiency lately, I believe. I picked out a 1000W PSU for you, as that will be plenty, even with quad SLI.

  7. Lastly, while I didn't change it, my personal recommendation is to go with Win 8 Pro. But, I know people have their preferences, and will go with the older and slower options if it feels better. I think both options are solid, though.

Well good luck, and if you have any questions, please ask. Otherwise I will wait for the usual criticisms on my build :P

If you want to see pictures of the case or some of the hardware, you can check out my signature for my latest Desktop build. I also used Z77 and its rock solid so far, much better than my original expectations.

Regards,
Blue
 
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Will you be on vent tonight? I would like to ask you bout your build and your current rig.
 
drainey said:
Will you be on vent tonight? I would like to ask you bout your build and your current rig.
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Should be, cannot guarantee. Just look for me and if im not busy ill be happy to answer any questions you have.

-Blue
 
Seasonic is the best power supply maker there is. Corsair uses seasonic power supplies for all of there best psus. That power supply you had originally picked is as good as it gets. You could probably save a little though and simply go with there 850w gold unit. 850w would be plenty of power for the rigs you picked out, even if you add in a second gtx 680 down the road.

The ram is nice, but stick with some generic 1600 ram. $50 for 8gb, ddr3 1600 is all you will ever need. No speed higher than that will gain you anything in real life performance, only in synthetic benchmarks.

It simply seems like you are splurging a little. I would personally invest money elsewhere. Why do you need an E-ATX mobo? Seems like an utter waste. Do you really plan to ever go quad sli? I would jump that down to a much cheaper option like the gigabyte ud3h or ud5h if you stick with a 3770k.

If you have triple monitors, more vram is a must. Definitely opt for a 4gb version of the gtx cards.

Here is another build that isn't too bad.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dyei

It really depends where you want to spend your money. If you like to stare at a pretty case, then by all means, go for a $400+ case. Otherwise, put that into your actual components while still getting solid choices elsewhere.
 
I don't want to nit pick Blue Stealth's lay for you, really it's a more then solid build.

I'll disagree with him about his comment on the PSU, I've had excellent performance & reliability from the Seasonic X-series Gold Certified especially the
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110 But to each his own.

Case - I might suggest COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 , (add the option 200mm x 30mm fan on top) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225

Which would allow you use CORSAIR Hydro Series H100, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181032

And last is any one sold on Windows 8 yet ?

Just my 2 cents
 
I could have been mistaken on SeaSonic, seems like I was thinking of a diff manufacturer. It has been years since I was in the market for a power supply.

-Blue
 
Best power supply is always going to fluctuate. There is no such things as the "BEST" of anything. Not every unit performs the same off the assembly lines. In my opinion - I have never bought anything other then cooler master and they have worked just fine with me. Never had issues. Good luck with your choice. But to claim something is the best is based on opinion. ( Not saying they dont have great PSU's. Just saying its an opinion based answer. )
 
The i7 3770k isnt as good as the i5 3570k for gaming. the 3770k hyperthreading actually slows down games, causing it to use one or two cores instead of all 4 cores, stressing the one or two cores extensively. the 3570k has four cores and four threaded cores, for gaming. better and more efficient. the i5 2500k is even better if you are gonna overclock. seasonic x and corsair make the most efficient PSU's
 
fetterEsel said:
The i7 3770k isnt as good as the i5 3570k for gaming. the 3770k hyperthreading actually slows down games, causing it to use one or two cores instead of all 4 cores, stressing the one or two cores extensively. the 3570k has four cores and four threaded cores, for gaming. better and more efficient. the i5 2500k is even better if you are gonna overclock. seasonic x and corsair make the most efficient PSU's
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Hyperthreading performance is very dependent upon the software that you are using it with. You may be correct in that certain games suffer from it being on, but

a) The difference would be too small to notice on a machine of this caliber. We would be talking about fractions of a frame in average fps for most gaming applications.

b) Hyperthreading can be turned off extremely easily in the BIOS. I don't know if it is like this for other cpu's/motherboards, but the BIOS I have has hyperthreading turned off by default. Probably because the motherboard is for overclocking.

Edit: I am not sure about hyperthreading limiting your applications to 1 or 2 cores for a quad, and it does not make any sense from a technical standpoint. I was under the impression that hyper threading created "extra" virtual cores, allowing for programs that are optimized for increased core counts to utilize the "extra" cores. Hyperthreading should not limit applications to fewer-than-optimal (or allowed) cores unless the application was not optimized or coded for utilizing more than that, which would bring about the same result regardless of hyperthreading. If I am wrong on this, by all means, enlighten me.

-Blue
 
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Blue Stealth said:
Hyperthreading performance is very dependent upon the software that you are using it with. You may be correct in that certain games suffer from it being on, but

a) The difference would be too small to notice on a machine of this caliber. We would be talking about fractions of a frame in average fps for most gaming applications.

b) Hyperthreading can be turned off extremely easily in the BIOS. I don't know if it is like this for other cpu's/motherboards, but the BIOS I have has hyperthreading turned off by default. Probably because the motherboard is for overclocking.

Edit: I am not sure about hyperthreading limiting your applications to 1 or 2 cores for a quad, and it does not make any sense from a technical standpoint. I was under the impression that hyper threading created "extra" virtual cores, allowing for programs that are optimized for increased core counts to utilize the "extra" cores. Hyperthreading should not limit applications to fewer-than-optimal (or allowed) cores unless the application was not optimized or coded for utilizing more than that, which would bring about the same result regardless of hyperthreading. If I am wrong on this, by all means, enlighten me.

-Blue
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It allows the extra threaded cores to operate for programs like umm i forgot what their called. like where you do the video editing and that stuff. But in game, the hyperthreading works reverse as many games dont support multi threading or multi core. therefore it reduces your FPS input. if you are gonna do more than gaming, i7 3770k, just gaming, i5 3570k
 
Cloakedsphere said:
Best power supply is always going to fluctuate. There is no such things as the "BEST" of anything. Not every unit performs the same off the assembly lines. In my opinion - I have never bought anything other then cooler master and they have worked just fine with me. Never had issues. Good luck with your choice. But to claim something is the best is based on opinion. ( Not saying they dont have great PSU's. Just saying its an opinion based answer. )
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Are you saying that the quality of a power supply's components and materials is opinion-based, not fact-based? That isn't accurate at all. It is true, for example, to say that other power supplies work 'just fine.' But that holds true until the day that they stop working, or you realize you've bought a power supply that's inferior to another model of unit or even brand.

I also agree with Fetter. It seems like it'd be splurging to buy an i7-3770K since really, the only reason you buy a 3770K in the first place IS for hyperthreading, which isn't going to be any use in a gaming rig. So if you're just going to turn hyperthreading off, that kind of invalidates the whole reason you'd buy the i7 in the first place since even an amateur overclocker could surpass the .1GHz difference easily.

@The OP: Like huckleberry mentioned, stick to the original SeaSonic you were looking into. That particular model is pretty amazing and SeaSonic makes some fantastic units. Theirs are the models that other brands look up to (or use the components from...)
 
runo said:
Are you saying that the quality of a power supply's components and materials is opinion-based, not fact-based? That isn't accurate at all. It is true, for example, to say that other power supplies work 'just fine.' But that holds true until the day that they stop working, or you realize you've bought a power supply that's inferior to another model of unit or even brand.

I also agree with Fetter. It seems like it'd be splurging to buy an i7-3770K since really, the only reason you buy a 3770K in the first place IS for hyperthreading, which isn't going to be any use in a gaming rig. So if you're just going to turn hyperthreading off, that kind of invalidates the whole reason you'd buy the i7 in the first place since even an amateur overclocker could surpass the .1GHz difference easily.

@The OP: Like huckleberry mentioned, stick to the original SeaSonic you were looking into. That particular model is pretty amazing and SeaSonic makes some fantastic units. Theirs are the models that other brands look up to (or use the components from...)
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^ Seasonic X makes the best PSU's out there. They provide the best customer support and warranty too. The Seasonic PSU's have the best efficiency and longest life span averaged compared to other brands and models. The higher the watts, the better. Extra watts is recommended so you dont bottleneck your PSU and max it out continuously, thatll lead to it heating up and bursting.
 
runo said:
the only reason you buy a 3770K in the first place IS for hyperthreading, which isn't going to be any use in a gaming rig.
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Not entirely true. i7's have more headroom for both caching and overclocking, compared to i5's. Regarding your point about hyperthreading, some games are capable of utilizing more than 4 cores, so again, depending on the application(s) you plan on using, HT tech can be moderately beneficial (magnitude of 20-30% increases) or slightly detrimental (magnitude of ~5% decreases [should and does translate to even smaller losses in gaming due to lower recursion and partial reliance on GPU's]).

The reason I chose i7 for this build (and for mine) is because I luckily had enough money to where I did not need to cut corners. I believe I can make a good argument that the i7 will be more future proof than any i5 on the market at current time. This comes from my experience as a programmer, and as a computer builder. It is certainly more flexible as a CPU, and for such a small increase in price, I think the flexibility is worth it.

I would have gone with a hex core like Huck recommended, but I don't see the technology moving forward quickly enough to really need hex core right now.
 
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goood goooddd im liking this im learning jjst keep talking guys more yout tlak about his stuff the more i learn. OOOO nd btw i picked the platnium 860 psu becuase i still hav about $800 to spend on this so why not get the good stuff. and i got the mother board cuse ive heard good things hout it. i wil take the advice for the 4 gb gtx 680 i was seriusly thinking bout the gtx 690 but i think ill go with the gtx 680 4gb. the case is still questionable i likes the way my case was so im gonna keep that if someone knows of a case that fits a atx-e and has better air flow for cheaper or like $20 let me know.
 
runo said:
Are you saying that the quality of a power supply's components and materials is opinion-based, not fact-based? That isn't accurate at all. It is true, for example, to say that other power supplies work 'just fine.' But that holds true until the day that they stop working, or you realize you've bought a power supply that's inferior to another model of unit or even brand.

I also agree with Fetter. It seems like it'd be splurging to buy an i7-3770K since really, the only reason you buy a 3770K in the first place IS for hyperthreading, which isn't going to be any use in a gaming rig. So if you're just going to turn hyperthreading off, that kind of invalidates the whole reason you'd buy the i7 in the first place since even an amateur overclocker could surpass the .1GHz difference easily.

@The OP: Like huckleberry mentioned, stick to the original SeaSonic you were looking into. That particular model is pretty amazing and SeaSonic makes some fantastic units. Theirs are the models that other brands look up to (or use the components from...)
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No. I was not saying that at all. I was saying that its opinion based because other PSU's will eventually out perform what seasonic makes. What do you mean by "Quality of parts?" Thats could be a LARGE statement as I am sure they use the same parts and the same ways to make them like other companies. Again. I said its opinion based. My personal opinion is that Cooler master makes the best PSU's as I have never had one fail on me and I have had the same PSU running in my computer for 3+ years.
 
drainey said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DBUs



ok this is the new build taking some ideas from blue and few from ornage peeled
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I'd go with two GTX 670's in SLI over the GTX 680, better performance to price ratio. SLI will give you better performance and picture quality in games. The GTX 680 is a horrible price to performance ratio. GTX 670 in two way SLI is the best price to performance ratio of the GPU's out theri right now
 
fetterEsel said:
I'd go with two GTX 670's in SLI over the GTX 680, better performance to price ratio. SLI will give you better performance and picture quality in games. The GTX 680 is a horrible price to performance ratio. GTX 670 in two way SLI is the best price to performance ratio of the GPU's out theri right now
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Ide rather get 2 660Ti's and SLI those. Its a cheaper alternative and will most likely out perform the GPU he wants. It will give him a little more spending room also as its a bit cheaper then the 670 SLI combo.
 
Cloakedsphere said:
Ide rather get 2 660Ti's and SLI those. Its a cheaper alternative and will most likely out perform the GPU he wants. It will give him a little more spending room also as its a bit cheaper then the 670 SLI combo.
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I'd 2nd that

Cloakedsphere said:
Again. I said its opinion based. My personal opinion is that Cooler master makes the best PSU's as I have never had one fail on me and I have had the same PSU running in my computer for 3+ years.
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Sure ones past experience always weights in ones decision which tends to till things. But there’s plenty of hard facts & information out there to help take away a lot of opinion in ones purchasing.
When it comes to PSU’s I’ve used Antec, Corsair, Cooler master & Seasoinc, in builds for different clients over the years & they have all preformed with flying colors. Yet my preference is Seasonic & Coller master (but that doesn’t make them “the best”, & I’ll admit I have a biased toward Seasonic since that was the PSU of choice on all test machine when I worked for Seagate). But when I’m making a build for a client I look @ specs & test for each build and not what I’m partial too.

It's always a good thread when a few "building" geeks get nit picking on such things.
Here's hoping we haven't muddied the waters too much for drainey

Oh & FYI drainey, if you really want to have some fun with the H100 try going with this push/pull mod config. You's need the 2nd Optional fan for the top of the case & then 2 more for the cooler. I personally went with all Cougar Vortex PWM fans, but that's not necessary
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbH1mhZWRn8[/ame]
 
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