bf3 all pop server - basecamping issues

Jokerle

Jokerle

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Heyho, we all know sometimes (lately quite often) one team bests the other and outcaps it.
As eGO is responsible that everybody has a good time we (as members) should more often switch to the weaker team to balance it. It is awesome if you manage a comeback, believe me. And I know some member do it without hesitation!

However, sometimes there is just no way to break out of the uncap. And then people start leaving or are very frustrated.
Lately I see some servers have a !surrender vote option.
Any opinions on this? Would this be a viable option also for us?
 
Jokerle said:
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However, sometimes there is just no way to break out of the uncap. And then people start leaving or are very frustrated.
Lately I see some servers have a !surrender vote option.
Any opinions on this? Would this be a viable option also for us?
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Great idea for those times...Better than a Nuke. This will need some more research for the plug in and if it will affect the server.
 
Half problem lies on fact that we dont autobalance on. I remember if there huge ticket differance the server would get mixed, I dont see that happening anymore. Even if you surrender its still going to be same bad team....
 
^We need a team scrambler, but one that KEEPS SQUADS TOGETHER. The biggest reason I leave and avoid certain servers is because I can never play with my friends on them because we get split up every round.

I don't like the surrender option because games can get turned around, I can't even count the number of times Killer and I (and other people too) have switched teams to turn it around.
 
TheYonderGod said:
I don't like the surrender option because games can get turned around, I can't even count the number of times Killer and I (and other people too) have switched teams to turn it around.
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It is possible to vote no...

Sure, as I said, often can it be turned around.
But
1. It is just not always possible
2. There are not always ego member online to balance out teams.
 
TheYonderGod said:
^We need a team scrambler, but one that KEEPS SQUADS TOGETHER. The biggest reason I leave and avoid certain servers is because I can never play with my friends on them because we get split up every round.

I don't like the surrender option because games can get turned around, I can't even count the number of times Killer and I (and other people too) have switched teams to turn it around.
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Ohh yes, and I enjoy those games the most though, always fun to switch teams and fight back, especially on metro or bazaar.
 
Yeah I don't know what the best solution would be but something to stop basecamping and all cap problems would be nice.
 
real men don't surrender, my theory behind basecamping is to too just fight back then there is a slight chance the game will turn around
 
BRAVO51 said:
real men don't surrender, my theory behind basecamping is to too just fight back then there is a slight chance the game will turn around
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Yeah....except that doesn't work when half team consist of nitwits...
 
wizekraker said:
Yeah....except that doesn't work when half team consist of nitwits...
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But a surrender option wouldn't fix that either, because you'd have the same team on the next round.

As someone stated earlier, autobalance or a team scramble or something between rounds would probably be the viable solution to this problem.
 
Another thing I've noticed a lot on the New All Pop Server is the "Winning Team" using mortars into spawn. There are obviously other issues with spawn camping and shooting, however if we can crack down on the people doing it this may give the "Losing Team" a chance to advance.
Maybe even by (Auto Balancing / Team Swap) the player who is doing it to the other team. Just a thought.
 
I played several times last week with some of the guys it was fun but the spawn camping was ridiculas and I saw teams that were like 21 to 10 something like that and of course id b on the 10 side lol
 
a few nights ago, I was playing on the new all pop maps server.. I had just joined when the previous map ended and it switched to bazaar I think it was(sorry still new to BF3).. most of my team were fairly low in rank while the other team had many max ranks.. As soon as it started we got hemmed in at our spawn uncap. There was no way to get out.. after.. and only after a bunch of players starting complaining and some leaving the only admin on at the time started kicking people for camping the uncap not giving us at least a chance to advance. Even after the multiple kicks we were still not allowed out of our uncap and this went on for what felt like forever(next map change). Left a really bad taste in my mouth with this game.. how is that crap fun for anyone?? I understand it's hard to look at different options to make gameplay enjoyable for everyone and I do not have a suggestion on how to fix the issue but something needs to be done... I'm hesitant to return just to have that kind of experience again..
 
Ichor said:
a few nights ago, I was playing on the new all pop maps server.. I had just joined when the previous map ended and it switched to bazaar I think it was(sorry still new to BF3).. most of my team were fairly low in rank while the other team had many max ranks.. As soon as it started we got hemmed in at our spawn uncap. There was no way to get out.. after.. and only after a bunch of players starting complaining and some leaving the only admin on at the time started kicking people for camping the uncap not giving us at least a chance to advance. Even after the multiple kicks we were still not allowed out of our uncap and this went on for what felt like forever(next map change). Left a really bad taste in my mouth with this game.. how is that crap fun for anyone?? I understand it's hard to look at different options to make gameplay enjoyable for everyone and I do not have a suggestion on how to fix the issue but something needs to be done... I'm hesitant to return just to have that kind of experience again..
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Please come up :(
Every game has its bad moments give Bf3 a chance. You should hop on when there more of us playing in vent. That way you get experience awsome combacks....

xitreon said:
Instead of vote surrender, what about a vote scramble command?
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Tha shouldnt be the case. I remeber we used to plugin which did that, the problem is I dont see that plugin anymore....
 
One of the worst things we can do it scramble team mid game, or switch strong players automatically. We must never do it if we want to stay popular, because many people really hate it.

The first solution is that ego members switch to the weaker team. This works well if there are more than one of our good players online. Thats not always the case though...

Not sure how the surrender plugin exactly works, but it is a voting system. You can vote yes or no. That should still allow all those nice turnaround-rounds.

Kicking people that shoot into the uncap after they took all flag is not a solution. What do you expect them to do? :P
Mortars...well, most people use mortars so they still can get some kills while the enemy is out of reach. It is of course extremely effective to maintain the status quo. Not sure that this is their main (evil) intention.
 
well if these ppl werent shot first they are not supposed to shoot into the enemy uncap.

but aside from that even kicking a few of the winning team usually barely helps the losing team. being allcaped is a pretty complicated problem, if thats what you want to call it. of course we all like to win and you can bet our pubs do want to win too. as an eGO member its always a nice thing to switch to the losing team and help but i personally wouldnt expect someone to always do it. i wouldnt want to do it every time myself as it is not that much fun to be stuck in spawn and leaves a demotivating feeling.

balancing good players on the other hand may want to make them leave because the fall from doing good on the winning team and being switched to the losing team (sometimes when the round is almost over) is quite big and as stated before players dont like that much. balancing/scrambling the rounds after they end may be a nice thing. its not always a bad thing playing against your friends. you can always see it as some kind of competition, adds a small funaspect especially when you are hanging out on vent at the same time.

if there are any good surrender plugins out there we should just have it with an balancing/scrambling plugin so teams are being mixed up as well.
 
"Killed By Admin" + A Warning Works Well.

I was also going to suggest an Instant Vehicle respawn for the Losing Team, if the enemy controls all the objectives. As of right now I think its about 1 minute for everyone?
This would also help by giving people a chance to push out.

As for eGO members switching teams to help out, I completely agree. Last night Wizekraker, KillMajor37, and myself switched to the losing team, we lost but honestly... We had a blast and were playing amazing together. Here check it out
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/1/63069467/369100238/
 
LMAO someone has a pony for an avatar in that link. That is hilarious!

Balance becomes extremely difficult when you switch between air maps and infantry maps.

Example: I rock the infantry side but I'm still learning to fly. So after a flying map the balancer decided to take a good flier and move him to the weaker team and swapped an average flier like me to the stronger team. Well the next map was Bazaar and I'm really good at infantry... and I was moved to the winning team. So yeah we capped them out within 2 minutes and crushed them for the rest of the round. After losing two straight.. I didn't want to lose again but at the same time it's not that fun to push people into uncap.

Had we only played ground maps or only played air maps the issue of balancing would be a lot easier but when you swap between the two balance becomes really hard and as for surrender.. admit defeat?! NEVER!

Sorry I mortared you the other day in uncap, Jokerle. I was new to the server and your tank seemed threatening. :P
 
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Hexi said:
Sorry I mortared you the other day in uncap, Jokerly. I was new to the server and your tank seemed threatening. :P
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No problem, but let me make one thing veeery clear:
My tank IS threating! :biggrin:
 
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