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Ok guys so I have pretty much everything except for the heatsink fan. I am looking at either the CM Hyper 212+ or EVO. I am planning on overclocking (but havent done it in years, especially with the new UEFI setup), so will need help understanding that. I already have AS 5 readily available, so not worried bout that.

My current question is what kind of speed do you think I can get up to on air from either of those heatsink fans? The following is my official setup:

i5-3570k
ASRock Z77 Extreme 3 (it was on sale at the time)
Corsair Vengeance 8gb (2x4gb) DDR3 1600 (got it on Black Friday sale, so dont hate)
Samsung EVO 120gb SSD
Seagate 1tb SATA3 hd
Corsair 650w psu
EVGA GTS450

If you have any questions or suggestions, like always feel free to send it. Mind you that im not looking to do any kinda ridiculous overclocking, but somewhere around 4.2-4.4 ghz I believe will be comfortable enough.
 
Knowing how far you can overclock your CPU depending on what heatsink you use, almost impossible to answer unless someone has tested it with your specific model of i5.

Also, future stability issues are usually not taken into account.
As you know, overclocking will shorten the lifespan of the CPU significantly and can damage it.

If you are going wild overclocking, I would look at some of the liquid cooling alternatives, take a look at Cooler Master Nepton 280L or Cooler Master Nepton 140XL

For a fan heatsink, check out the Spire Thermax Eclipse II.

Good luck!

Ok guys so I have pretty much everything except for the heatsink fan. I am looking at either the CM Hyper 212+ or EVO. I am planning on overclocking (but havent done it in years, especially with the new UEFI setup), so will need help understanding that. I already have AS 5 readily available, so not worried bout that.

My current question is what kind of speed do you think I can get up to on air from either of those heatsink fans? The following is my official setup:

i5-3570k
ASRock Z77 Extreme 3 (it was on sale at the time)
Corsair Vengeance 8gb (2x4gb) DDR3 1600 (got it on Black Friday sale, so dont hate)
Samsung EVO 120gb SSD
Seagate 1tb SATA3 hd
Corsair 650w psu
EVGA GTS450

If you have any questions or suggestions, like always feel free to send it. Mind you that im not looking to do any kinda ridiculous overclocking, but somewhere around 4.2-4.4 ghz I believe will be comfortable enough.
 
As you know, overclocking will shorten the lifespan of the CPU significantly and can damage it.

I never really heard of overclocking shortening the lifespan of the CPU. If you put it up to a possibly damaging clock and keep it on a borderline edge then sure. But a safe clock should not cause the lifespan to deteriorate like what I think you are saying.

He can easily get away with some aftermarket Noctua heatsinks. Lots of people use some of the traditional block heatsinks to get similar overclocking results to a water cooled CPU and thats just with heat pipes, fins, and 2 fans...

You can get water cooling but I honestly am not a fan of "water" anything near my electronics. No matter of its sealing.
 
Here is some more information on the topic; Overclocking and lifespan degradation from http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/300350-31-overclocking-life-expectancy#5121460, I think it answers it perfectly;

"Why does OCing dmg a CPU?
This is a bit hard to understand if you don't know some basics about electron orbital theory and quantum tunneling?

I'll assume you know nothing so I'll try to keep this as simple as I can. You'll have to take my word on a few facts though.

Normally, electrons stay around their atom's and don't go wandering off. So in a CPU, they'll stay in one transistor and not move to others. However, if you've learnt about quantum mechanics, you'll know it's actually possible for electrons to escape from energy wells, even infinitely deep ones, it's just very uncommon. In a process known as quantum tunneling, electrons can pass through solid matter and be ejected out the other side.

Now, a transistor in a CPU is made from alternating + and - doped and undoped silicon. Once in a while, an electron will escape and bury a couple atoms into an adjourning transistor, and if this happens enough times, eventually all the way through to the adjourning transistor before coming back to it's orbit.

Keep doing this and eventually an electron doesn't come back, but stays attached to an atom in the adjourning undoped section of silicon. Over time (usually years), this tunneling causes a hole to be formed between two adjourning transistors and allows free electron flow.

This bypasses the "gates" between the transistors and as a result, the computer will misread this resulting in an error.
This process is called silicon degradation and eventually results in a complete CPU failure.

Now, as to where overclocking comes in.

If you know about electron orbital theory, the more energy an electron has, the more likely it is to leave it's orbit and tunnel. IE if your CPU is running hot, or has a considerably higher voltage going through it, electrons tunnel in much higher numbers. As a result, the more you OC, the faster you make those tunnel which cause silicon degradation.

In addition, if you increase the voltage enough, you can actually physically destroy the silicon lattice of the gates within a
processor. Don't make me explain this cuz I can't without lots of math.

Now, on to OC and Heat
In a CPU boosting F, has a very minor, almost insignificant heat increase.

It's v increase that dramatically increases heat.

I'll just quote myself again

Power Dissipation = PD in Watt
Voltage = Volt
Freq = Hz
C= Capacitance in Farads

Total PD in Watt = C x F x V^2
As C doesn't change (ok it technically does, but for the sake of keeping the math simply we can assume it doesn't)

If you actually plug in numbers and graph the function, the heat increase due to a freq increase is minute compared to the heat increase from a v increase, as one increases exponentially, the other linearly.

Indeed, the more you increase the V, the less the F part of the equation is relevant to the total temp."


- In other words, increasing the voltage of your CPU will decrease the lifespan.


I never really heard of overclocking shortening the lifespan of the CPU. If you put it up to a possibly damaging clock and keep it on a borderline edge then sure. But a safe clock should not cause the lifespan to deteriorate like what I think you are saying.

He can easily get away with some aftermarket Noctua heatsinks. Lots of people use some of the traditional block heatsinks to get similar overclocking results to a water cooled CPU and thats just with heat pipes, fins, and 2 fans...

You can get water cooling but I honestly am not a fan of "water" anything near my electronics. No matter of its sealing.
 
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Here is some more information on the topic; Overclocking and lifespan degradation from http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/300350-31-overclocking-life-expectancy#5121460, I think it answers it perfectly;

"Why does OCing dmg a CPU?
This is a bit hard to understand if you don't know some basics about electron orbital theory and quantum tunneling?

I'll assume you know nothing so I'll try to keep this as simple as I can. You'll have to take my word on a few facts though.

Normally, electrons stay around their atom's and don't go wandering off. So in a CPU, they'll stay in one transistor and not move to others. However, if you've learnt about quantum mechanics, you'll know it's actually possible for electrons to escape from energy wells, even infinitely deep ones, it's just very uncommon. In a process known as quantum tunneling, electrons can pass through solid matter and be ejected out the other side.

Now, a transistor in a CPU is made from alternating + and - doped and undoped silicon. Once in a while, an electron will escape and bury a couple atoms into an adjourning transistor, and if this happens enough times, eventually all the way through to the adjourning transistor before coming back to it's orbit.

Keep doing this and eventually an electron doesn't come back, but stays attached to an atom in the adjourning undoped section of silicon. Over time (usually years), this tunneling causes a hole to be formed between two adjourning transistors and allows free electron flow.

This bypasses the "gates" between the transistors and as a result, the computer will misread this resulting in an error.
This process is called silicon degradation and eventually results in a complete CPU failure.

Now, as to where overclocking comes in.

If you know about electron orbital theory, the more energy an electron has, the more likely it is to leave it's orbit and tunnel. IE if your CPU is running hot, or has a considerably higher voltage going through it, electrons tunnel in much higher numbers. As a result, the more you OC, the faster you make those tunnel which cause silicon degradation.

In addition, if you increase the voltage enough, you can actually physically destroy the silicon lattice of the gates within a
processor. Don't make me explain this cuz I can't without lots of math.

Now, on to OC and Heat
In a CPU boosting F, has a very minor, almost insignificant heat increase.

It's v increase that dramatically increases heat.

I'll just quote myself again

Power Dissipation = PD in Watt
Voltage = Volt
Freq = Hz
C= Capacitance in Farads

Total PD in Watt = C x F x V^2
As C doesn't change (ok it technically does, but for the sake of keeping the math simply we can assume it doesn't)

If you actually plug in numbers and graph the function, the heat increase due to a freq increase is minute compared to the heat increase from a v increase, as one increases exponentially, the other linearly.

Indeed, the more you increase the V, the less the F part of the equation is relevant to the total temp."


- In other words, increasing the voltage of your CPU will decrease the lifespan.

If you're going to run a safe clock, you should be fine. You should be replacing your computer (in my opinion) every 5 years unless you buy the top of the top computer parts anyways. My buddys machine has been running an overclocked Dual core athlon for 4 1/2 years and it still runs just fine and puts out the same clock speeds it did when he OC'd it.

So long as you arent stupid to impose a damaging overclock on the CPU itself, you should be fine. Life expectancy isnt even a problem when I would just guess over 75% of the population replace their computer every 2-4 years. So no. Its not really an issue.
 
Ya im not planning on burning rubber when it comes to overclocking. Im gonna do exactly what I did last time (which was slowly boost the clock until I feel its at a safe speed). Im thinking somewhere around 4-4.5 ghz will be plenty, but of course I will keep a watchful eye.
 

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