Tech Help I'm bad at this

[Ledzo]

Hey guys !!

2018 right !! Happy new year to everyone !!

2018 = New PC

You guys would be awesome if you could help me out with the Rig I need to buy myself to play lets say... the new Bad Company 3 that's going to come out soon

Something that would last me 10 years at least !
If you guys could also try to do a crsecendo in the prices so I can look at my options money wise?
IF POSSIBLE can it be a laptop?

Love you all,
Ledzo

 

[Simon]

It's sometimes easier to start with an initial idea of how much you want to spend. Also I assume buying in France, right?

I also hope that means you'll be playing with us more again!

Do you have any preferences? AMD/Intel/Nvidia. Do you already own a monitor, etc

If you want to have it for a long time, looking at a steeper budget. But it will be worth it! Give you lots of options to not be disappointed

 

[Ledzo]

I have no preferences
I don't own a good monitor anymore
Budget wise i don't really know... give me choices

Thanks Simon, I hope I'll be getting back into competitive TF2 and maybe be able to play the 2019 Battlefield 2

 

[Simon]

If you were to go "all out" per say, I've thrown together a little AMD build here. You can change the case and get a monitor/mouse/keyboard to your preference, but the base idea is there. The new AMD processors seem to be killing it and are at a really good price. A good option for gaming, overall.

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/GQFMPs

I stole this list from S Snipeye and modified it to an i5 - an i7 would be overkill for you, by far, as the features it has are nothing games will ever take advantage of (or will for an extremely long time). This would be another "high end" build, by far.

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/vfY72R

Key things to both these builds would be that you'll see M.2 SSD's in there - these connect straight onto the motherboard and are an extremely fast storage solution, at the very least for your OS and a few games. This build had a second SSD as well, and honestly these days with so many games being huge file sizes, it's sort of nice to have more than one fast drive. Add on a regular HDD for all your other stuff and you're set.

Another part of that Intel build is an aftermarket cooler, this one being water cooled for the CPU. You can substitute this out with a regular fan cooler - I like the Cooler Master Hyper212. Proven to work well. If you aren't overclocking, it's a great option.

Now, let's get to more of a budget minded build..

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/xPbDr7

I think this one might fill the sweet spot for a long time. Fairly good parts, the big difference here being your video card. The 1050 TI isn't anything to laugh at though and comes at a good price point. This would probably be the only part you would want to upgrade down the line. Once again I've left the peripheral options up to you on that one.

One thing to note for both the builds I set up there - I did 4x4GB for 16GB of RAM. This is a preference of mine. Not much maxes out your system that fast unless you're doing a lot of rendering in After Effects or run Solidworks 24/7. If you feel you want to upgrade to 32GB, make it 2x8GB sticks instead, leaving the option. I personally just like to fill all RAM slots.

Let me know what you're thinking buddy! I have a feeling some others like S Snipeye will probably chip in, he likes to roam this section a lot. Unfortunately I don't have any monitor recommendations, I'm still rocking some older ones for now.

 

[Ledzo]

Thanks alot good Simon!

What is a HDD?
Concerning the RAM, i didnt get it, but Im probably not going to work with Solidworks ever in my life

Can these fit in a laptop ? What are the main downsides of a laptop if i want a gaming pc?

again thank you simon

 

[Simon]

Thanks alot good Simon!

What is a HDD?
Concerning the RAM, i didnt get it, but Im probably not going to work with Solidworks ever in my life

Can these fit in a laptop ? What are the main downsides of a laptop if i want a gaming pc?

again thank you simon

HDD is usually a conventional spinning hard drive. Cheap, and lots of space, but typically much slower speeds.

None of these will fit in a laptop unfortunately. Building a laptop isn't quite an option. The downside of a laptop is generally cost for sure, and you cannot upgrade them later on. Upside would be that it's portable haha. If you want to game and be able to upgrade and keep up with the times, I definitely suggest building your own rig with these kinds of parts. You'll get the most out of it. However if you would rather a laptop we can definitely explore other options.

 

[Snipeye]

I stole this list from S Snipeye and modified it to an i5 - an i7 would be overkill for you, by far, as the features it has are nothing games will ever take advantage of (or will for an extremely long time). This would be another "high end" build, by far.

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/vfY72R

Let me know what you're thinking buddy! I have a feeling some others like S Snipeye will probably chip in, he likes to roam this section a lot. Unfortunately I don't have any monitor recommendations, I'm still rocking some older ones for now.

How well you know me! Ledzo, there are two important things you must figure out and tell us. 1) What is the purpose of the computer? 2) What is your budget. Knowing what the computer will be used for will help builders like Simon and I to piece together the parts that makes the most sense. The budget will tell us how much working room we have. Now an important qualification I need to make is that you will most likely NOT get a computer that will last you at least 10 years. Not unless you plan to downgrade its usefulness to something besides gaming as the reality is most personal desktop computers will last about FIVE years before they're either fully replaced, or parts are upgraded. I am currently typing on a desktop that is roughly 8 years old; this was a mid-upper build originally around 2009/2010 with a few parts upgraded a few years later (Solid State Drive for Operating System (OS)/Geforce 560Ti installed to replace aging a 200-series GPU from nVidia). If you want a desktop that will reasonably last as long as mine did, you will need to be willing to pay more up front to get more use out of it over a longer term. Budget builds will last between 3-5 years, but you will definitely want to upgrade as games alone will get to a point where your computer cannot keep up (like mine is!)

Another thing to keep in mind with the build as Simon hinted at: If you need a new monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, headset, Operating System, all that stuff needs to be known up-front so we can include those costs within your budget. The build that Simon reference is one that I'm trying to keep within a certain budget (cheaper is better, but not at the sake of quality); and my primary use is Photo/Video Editing and Gaming/Streaming secondary. So the build that I have would get better use out of an i7/GTX 1080 combo with three storage drives (which are somewhat overkill, but hey, I may as well do it now the way I want it: M.2/SSD/HDD). A pure gaming PC you can get a smaller OS drive that could be an M.2 or SSD, and a larger hard drive for game files instead of my "slightly" ridiculous composition of a 256GB M.2 drive + 512GB SSD + 4TB HDD for my storage purposes...

And like Simon said, I'll be keeping an eye on this, if only to critique Simon's recommendations to you.

 

[Ledzo]

Thanks snipe for coming on this thread :
Reason : gaming + livestream
Budget : Lets try to stay around 1000€ ( the budget build was already at 1200€ )

<3

 

[Snipeye]

Will you also need the following?

Monitor
Operating System
Keyboard
Mice
Speakers
Headset

 

[Ledzo]

Monitor yes
Operating system I guess
Mouse and keyboard we'll see later
Speakers why not
Headset why not

 

[Simon]

I'm around 1150 here... https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/KpWvLD

Only 8GB of RAM, room to expand later on and spend that money there. 8GB will get you by for now.

The storage space option is a tricky one. It's sort of hard to live without an SSD at this point for the speeds, but you still need the space for games. So that's where I'm slightly torn.

Power supply is something I refuse to cheap out on as well.

 

[Snipeye]

A few observations:

1) The OS you chose. After translating it from French, it's apparent the seller too often resells the same OS key so you will need to contact Microsoft to get a new key, if they're willing (most people have said MS have been very generous with this issue and helping them out)

2) PSU is overkill for the build. I would think a 500 or 550w PSU would suffice, definitely 650 watt is more than enough. Should be able to save about 50 euros that way.

3) There's really not much else fat to cut, besides you finding your own monitor second-hand (facebook marketplace, craigslist, ebay, etc. Can get pretty lucky) I essentially got a 32" 10-bit ASUS monitor for the same euro price as in US Dollars ($150) via facebook marketplace.

4) I Agree with you Simon, storage is an issue. I would almost suggest a 120GB SSD + 1TB HDD just to save a few bucks, but the 250GB is already so cheap. The other alternative is go pure SSD only and skip the hard drive, but then you're getting about 40% of the storage for maybe the same price if you bump the SSD to 512GB...

 

[Simon]

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/KLPqYr

There's some modifications. S Snipeye . Good calls there. I did this up when I was a bit tired too... lol.

For some reason some items don't show prices, I think just because it's not available on Amazon, seems there are few options on PCPartsPicker for France, but you certainly could find it elsewhere. Says 932 euros there but assume after PSU and Windows probably around 1100. Not sure where else we can shave off much either, without sacrificing a lot more and leaving you quickly upgrading in the future or unhappy overall with the build.

 

[Ledzo]

Alright thanks guys really it helps me alot !! I mean I would never have known literally
You're my guest if you want to visit France or anything you need done for ego
I'll see how much money I can round up over this month !

I'll be definitely playing tf2 in 2018 <3

 

[Ledzo]

Thing is, the power supply doesn't show its price + I guess it's much more complicated to call Microsoft from France haha never thought about it

 

[Snipeye]

Thing is, the power supply doesn't show its price + I guess it's much more complicated to call Microsoft from France haha never thought about it

No huge biggies. The lack of a price just means it's not currently available in the region (you'll see that occur when supplies run out. When more shipments have been delivered, the price will re-appear.) A GPU I'm eyeing keeps going up and down by $100 because available supplies run out of the lower-priced vendor than the higher-priced one.

Also, lucky thing that Simon made an AMD build for you as this news broke today (Had to figure out why my AMD stock shot up in price today):

https://www.pcworld.com/article/324...cpu-kernel-bug-faq-how-it-affects-pc-mac.html

 

[Simon]

No huge biggies. The lack of a price just means it's not currently available in the region (you'll see that occur when supplies run out. When more shipments have been delivered, the price will re-appear.) A GPU I'm eyeing keeps going up and down by $100 because available supplies run out of the lower-priced vendor than the higher-priced one.

Also, lucky thing that Simon made an AMD build for you as this news broke today (Had to figure out why my AMD stock shot up in price today):

https://www.pcworld.com/article/324...cpu-kernel-bug-faq-how-it-affects-pc-mac.html

Big ouch on their end! Lovely to read as both my machines are intel. Given what AMD has put out recently that certainly caters to the gaming market, it?s hard not to choose them right now.

Ledzo, feel free to ask any more questions or make a new thread as you buy and build it. Definitely be excited to see you play again! It?s been too long.

 

[reflex99]

Huh neat read there first i've heard of it but I slept like all day so I have yet to catch up on news. Sounds like it should be fixed *eventually* on Windows/Linux after reading the source article (https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/)

At least Apple's already on it so I am safe it seems. wooo

 

[Ledzo]

Thank you everyone!!!

 

[freshmeathead]

Thanks snipe for coming on this thread :
Reason : gaming + livestream
Budget : Lets try to stay around 1000? ( the budget build was already at 1200? )

<3

Including VAT?