[Jailbreak] Clarify 'delay' for LRs

[Orange]

Simple suggestion, add

'Custom LRs must take a reasonable amount of time to complete' to the rules regarding LRs.

This should avoid confusion, and clarify how almost every admin on JB is handling the issue of people doing full extreme climb on clouds for a custom LR anyways.

It would also allow for admin discretion on how long a custom LR can last, so there is no need to be setting stopwatches on a certain time limit, and allows more freedom to adjust to the specific situation.

 

[Jacko]

I suggested implementing a rule clarifying this before the rule update but we eventually agreed to just keep it at admin discretion.

Admins need to watch out for this happening and using W/K/B procedure more. If you see a T delaying the round with lr, either by playing multiple games with the same CT, or playing an extremely long game (i.e extreme climb) please please PLEASE w/k/b this player for Server Disruption or Delay.

The majority of the server is spectating the last remaining survivors. This delaying T can cause a good amount of people to leave the server. No one wants to spectate for too long, we just want to play.

 

[Orange]

I suggested implementing a rule clarifying this before the rule update but we eventually agreed to just keep it at admin discretion.

Admins need to watch out for this happening and using W/K/B procedure more. If you see a T delaying the round with lr, either by playing multiple games with the same CT, or playing an extremely long game (i.e extreme climb) please please PLEASE w/k/b this player for Server Disruption or Delay.

The majority of the server is spectating the last remaining survivors. This delaying T can cause a good amount of people to leave the server. No one wants to spectate for too long, we just want to play.

I just think having it in the official rules would avoid confusion because this is an issue that comes up fairly often in my experience. I've also had it happen where I warn it as delaying, and then people complain that its not specified in the rules.

 

[Jacko]

I just think having it in the official rules would avoid confusion because this is an issue that comes up fairly often in my experience. I've also had it happen where I warn it as delaying, and then people complain that its not specified in the rules.

Although its not a written rule it falls under "common sense" server disruption rules. If a T is purposefully delays the round an admin can use discretion for it. The issue here is that I don't always see admins actually enforcing it as often as they should be.

 

[Rogue Sniper]

... then people complain that its not specified in the rules.

You are an admin, what admins say goes. If they have a problem with an admin, they can come to the forums, post in the drop box aka contact leadership and go from their.

If they want to argue, you warn them to not argue with an admin, then kick, then ban, as needed.

 

[Orange]

Although its not a written rule it falls under "common sense" server disruption rules. If a T is purposefully delays the round an admin can use discretion for it. The issue here is that I don't always see admins actually enforcing it as often as they should be.

Then it being in the rules would help a lot with that. The issue here is that even if it falls under 'common sense' in your eyes, it just doesn't for some people.

You are an admin, what admins say goes. If they have a problem with an admin, they can come to the forums, post in the drop box aka contact leadership and go from their.

If they want to argue, you warn them to not argue with an admin, then kick, then ban, as needed.

I am an admin who does not take this route to handling others, if they want to argue with me and try to convince me that I am wrong, I grant them the opportunity as long as they are being productive.
I think that this would be a good addition to the rules to prevent this from being an argument in the first place, so that everybody is on the same page.

 

[Rogue Sniper]

I am an admin who does not take this route to handling others, if they want to argue with me and try to convince me that I am wrong, I grant them the opportunity as long as they are being productive.
I think that this would be a good addition to the rules to prevent this from being an argument in the first place, so that everybody is on the same page.

No, you do not do that in the server. Such behavior will condition players to whine, argue, and complain with admins in the server. That is not an appropriate avenue for such activity. If they want to discuss an action brought against them or someone else in the server, they have the forums (Contact Leadership) to do that.

If players are allowed to argue with admins, such as yourself, then other admins lose the ability to be able to confidently take action. A malevolent player will take advantage of being able to argue with the admins' action and further question the admins' ability in the server even if its in admin chat. Such players will pass on the fact they can get away with being able to argue and question what an admin does therefore causing more damage than you think. Admins are there to ensure the players on the server follow the rules and do not cause disruption or malevolence towards other players or admins.

I'm going to add in, you can always tell the player why you took action against them and to ask them not do break any further rules that will result in additional consequences but do not allow them to argue against what you did in the server even if you think it will constructive.

If you have doubt of an action you are about to take on a player, contact another eG, contact an eGO, contact an AT, or contact leadership in Steam, TS/Discord, or through cross server chat. Keep your doubts quiet otherwise people can and will take advantage of your lack of confidence.



A good admin will think before acting, a great admin will think about their actions, discuss with others of their intended actions, and then review if that was the correct course of action or if there was a better way of handling it.

 

[Orange]

No, you do not do that in the server. Such behavior will condition players to whine, argue, and complain with admins in the server. That is not an appropriate avenue for such activity. If they want to discuss an action brought against them or someone else in the server, they have the forums (Contact Leadership) to do that.

If players are allowed to argue with admins, such as yourself, then other admins lose the ability to be able to confidently take action. A malevolent player will take advantage of being able to argue with the admins' action and further question the admins' ability in the server even if its in admin chat. Such players will pass on the fact they can get away with being able to argue and question what an admin does therefore causing more damage than you think. Admins are there to ensure the players on the server follow the rules and do not cause disruption or malevolence towards other players or admins.

I'm going to add in, you can always tell the player why you took action against them and to ask them not do break any further rules that will result in additional consequences but do not allow them to argue against what you did in the server even if you think it will constructive.

If you have doubt of an action you are about to take on a player, contact another eG, contact an eGO, contact an AT, or contact leadership in Steam, TS/Discord, or through cross server chat. Keep your doubts quiet otherwise people can and will take advantage of your lack of confidence.



A good admin will think before acting, a great admin will think about their actions, discuss with others of their intended actions, and then review if that was the correct course of action or if there was a better way of handling it.

I think you misunderstand my approach to enforcing the rules, this is also not a topic we should be discussing here.

Regardless, that is irrelevant to this suggestion.

 

[Corrupted]

I think this should get added to the rules. I've seen a bunch of admins just standing there waiting for the T to finish there 6 custom lr's. I've asked thwm if they could move them into spec and back into CT but some admins aren't sure if they're allowed to take action against a T that's delaying there LR.

Will there be any problems if it gets added to the rules? No. It will just clarify that this isn't allowed.

I personally thing Orange is a great admin because he will explain why you got swapped. You might be confused about some rule or something like that and Orange will explain that.

 

[Rogue Sniper]

If they are just bronze league at CS:GO and doing Shot4Shot and missing a lot but trying, that's not delaying.
If they are trying to do climb w/ CTs but both are just bad and falling a lot, that's not delaying.
If they are actively trying to do their one LR, they are not delaying.

If they are doing more than 1 game for the LR, that is delaying.
If they are running around the map trying to find something to do, that is delaying. They should have something roughly figured out when they get LR and can further deliberate from there if needed.

If an admin does not know if they are delaying, they can ask other admins in multiple ways of communication. They should generally have a good understanding before hand about what is delaying to help keep the game going smoothly. There might be a slight margin between admins what is delaying but they should all roughly be on the same page.

If you think a player is taking a bit long to decide what to do, explain the rules of their LR, or whatever else, you can let them know to speed it up as there are a lot of people waiting to play.

 

[Corrupted]

If they are just bronze league at CS:GO and doing Shot4Shot and missing a lot but trying, that's not delaying.
If they are trying to do climb w/ CTs but both are just bad and falling a lot, that's not delaying.
If they are actively trying to do their one LR, they are not delaying.

If they are doing more than 1 game for the LR, that is delaying.
If they are running around the map trying to find something to do, that is delaying. They should have something roughly figured out when they get LR and can further deliberate from there if needed.

If an admin does not know if they are delaying, they can ask other admins in multiple ways of communication. They should generally have a good understanding before hand about what is delaying to help keep the game going smoothly. There might be a slight margin between admins what is delaying but they should all roughly be on the same page.

If you think a player is taking a bit long to decide what to do, explain the rules of their LR, or whatever else, you can let them know to speed it up as there are a lot of people waiting to play.

The point is that there should be a rule where T's are not allowed to play mutliple games or play one long game. When I said the admin doesn't know that the T is delaying I meant he had absoloutely no clue that your able to delay in LR by playing multiple games or by playing one extremely long game. Also if the ct accept's the t's custom lr there's nothing you can do as a dead person, a lot of the time people accept multiple custom lr's or really long lr's. The point is that there is 2 people that lr each other and do multiple games simply to delay the round. You never play on the pG servers so you obviously don't know how it is....

 

[EpicFlamingos]

The point is that there should be a rule where T's are not allowed to play mutliple games or play one long game. When I said the admin doesn't know that the T is delaying I meant he had absoloutely no clue that your able to delay in LR by playing multiple games or by playing one extremely long game. Also if the ct accept's the t's custom lr there's nothing you can do as a dead person, a lot of the time people accept multiple custom lr's or really long lr's. The point is that there is 2 people that lr each other and do multiple games simply to delay the round. You never play on the pG servers so you obviously don't know how it is....

I play on the servers and I agree with what he said. I dont see a need for this rule when it should fall under common sense. It should be pretty obvious to most people that they shouldn't be delaying. And if admins aren't sure if what the T is doing is delay, they can ask another admin, or AT, and if necessary ask leadership (please ask an admin/at first though)
Theres no way every single admin dont know Ts shouldn't be delaying.

 

[Corrupted]

I play on the servers and I agree with what he said. I dont see a need for this rule when it should fall under common sense. It should be pretty obvious to most people that they shouldn't be delaying. And if admins aren't sure if what the T is doing is delay, they can ask another admin, or AT, and if necessary ask leadership (please ask an admin/at first though)
Theres no way every single admin dont know Ts shouldn't be delaying.

There's moments when there is no admin's to enforce the rule so the people that are delaying could just say "It's not in the rules" and then there's people waiting 6 min so these people could finally finish extreme climb. Also they could say it's there lr and they could do whatever they want since they had to listen to the cancer ct's and warden so he deserves to play whatever he wants as long as the ct agrees to it. If someone was to delay lr people could atleast say it's in the rules and copy and paste it into chat, then he would see that he's breaking the rules and he might actually stop delaying the round. Also whenever an admin ask's another admin they might not instantly get a respond and we will probably end up waiting for them to finish it. It would be really handy if it was to be in the rules, then everyone would know that IT IS delaying and that they can't do it.

 

[Rogue Sniper]

The point is that there should be a rule where T's are not allowed to play mutliple games or play one long game. When I said the admin doesn't know that the T is delaying I meant he had absoloutely no clue that your able to delay in LR by playing multiple games or by playing one extremely long game. Also if the ct accept's the t's custom lr there's nothing you can do as a dead person, a lot of the time people accept multiple custom lr's or really long lr's. The point is that there is 2 people that lr each other and do multiple games simply to delay the round. You never play on the pG servers so you obviously don't know how it is....

request noun
re?​quest | \ri-ˈkwest \

 : to ask as a favor or privilege

plural : requests

Therefore Last Request, singular, is one thing you may ask for, not a group of items.

Also I have been on the server multiple times watching, I don't know why you bring this up. As Epic has said, its just common sense to not have players delaying in their LR or doing multiple games.

There's moments when there is no admin's to enforce the rule so the people that are delaying could just say "It's not in the rules" and then there's people waiting 6 min so these people could finally finish extreme climb. Also they could say it's there lr and they could do whatever they want since they had to listen to the cancer ct's and warden so he deserves to play whatever he wants as long as the ct agrees to it. If someone was to delay lr people could atleast say it's in the rules and copy and paste it into chat, then he would see that he's breaking the rules and he might actually stop delaying the round. Also whenever an admin ask's another admin they might not instantly get a respond and we will probably end up waiting for them to finish it. It would be really handy if it was to be in the rules, then everyone would know that IT IS delaying and that they can't do it.

If there's no admins, go in to TS/Discord or ask for one in Steam.

If we have to put everything into the rules then that burdens down players freedom to play as they will be constantly checking if something is allowed.

Too many rules and then people won't want to play on the server.

Common sense and maintaining server stability are two coverall terms to keep it fun to play but keep players in line so everyone can have a good time.

 

[Corrupted]

request noun
re?​quest | \ri-ˈkwest \

 : to ask as a favor or privilege

plural : requests

Therefore Last Request, singular, is one thing you may ask for, not a group of items.

Also I have been on the server multiple times watching, I don't know why you bring this up. As Epic has said, its just common sense to not have players delaying in their LR or doing multiple games.

Still people play multiple games. Last request, meaning what's your last wish before the next round, you could say your last request is to play multiple T games for fun.

 

[Rogue Sniper]

Still people play multiple games. Last request, meaning what's your last wish before the next round, you could say your last request is to play multiple T games for fun.

That is you requesting multiple things, also know as 'my requests are to play X, Y, Z', if you want to be semantic. Last request has always been 1 thing and thats it. This is not a hard concept to get.

 

[Corrupted]

That is you requesting multiple things, also know as 'my requests are to play X, Y, Z', if you want to be semantic. Last request has always been 1 thing and thats it. This is not a hard concept to get.

Okay than we should add a new plugin. You LR a ct once and if you win that lr you automatically get slayed since LR is only one thing. If lr is only one "thing" than you can only lr once.

 

[Rogue Sniper]

Okay than we should add a new plugin. You LR a ct once and if you win that lr you automatically get slayed since LR is only one thing. If lr is only one "thing" than you can only lr once.

Go for it. If you can figure out how to tell if a player is done with their 1 thing especially when its something more custom, then that'd be amazing.

 

[Corrupted]

What??? Your saying that lr should only be once, if lr was to be only once then it would be no fun. This is my final say on this, I think there should be a rule like this because then everyone would know that IT IS considered as delaying, yes you could say it's common sense that it's OBVIOUSLY delay but than you could also say that it's there LR and they can do as much games they want and as long as they want. Yes I guess last request is singular and is only one thing but nobody says that, who cares that last request means it's singular. I just think that it should be in the rules OR in the FAQ since everybody would than know it's considerered as delaying.

 

[Orange]

If they are just bronze league at CS:GO and doing Shot4Shot and missing a lot but trying, that's not delaying.
If they are trying to do climb w/ CTs but both are just bad and falling a lot, that's not delaying.
If they are actively trying to do their one LR, they are not delaying.

If they are doing more than 1 game for the LR, that is delaying.
If they are running around the map trying to find something to do, that is delaying. They should have something roughly figured out when they get LR and can further deliberate from there if needed.

If an admin does not know if they are delaying, they can ask other admins in multiple ways of communication. They should generally have a good understanding before hand about what is delaying to help keep the game going smoothly. There might be a slight margin between admins what is delaying but they should all roughly be on the same page.

If you think a player is taking a bit long to decide what to do, explain the rules of their LR, or whatever else, you can let them know to speed it up as there are a lot of people waiting to play.

Exactly. This suggestion is targeted at LRs that would intentionally take exorbitant amounts of time to complete. If two people are just bad at the game, that's a matter of whether or not they are intentionally whiffing.