Remove Voteban and Votekick from DS

[kuantum]

Very controversial idea.

I've been seeing a lot more usage of DS admin powers in JB and TTT (mainly TTT) even when an admin is on. This is a continuation from here. (You should comment on it, if you would like!).

DS shouldn't have the ability to votekick and voteban, especially when A) an admin is on (why that's not disabled is beyond me) and B) any e tag can buy it and get access to it. I understand DS purchasers (me included) paid to have this feature, but they shouldn't be able to admin a server anyway. Members who have DS aren't forced to go through training and some of them don't even know the rules or let alone, THE REASON WHY THEY ARE KICKING/BANNING A PLAYER. It's astounding that some JUNIOR admins (actually trained and know the rules) have to let DS voteban a player, then fill out a ban request on the player later.

Now, I know that eGO has had some money issues lately, there's no hiding that. This would negatively affect DS memberships just based off of reasoning alone. However, there should be more emphasis on other purely cosmetic views such as trails, character model changes, hats, etc. to help drive the perks back up.

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[Power_Outlet]

I see no reason for vote ban and vote kick to be removed. It is very helpful on the minigames server (@Cian) as well as the surf and bhop servers. Those who abuse the vote kick/vote ban will have it removed from them. Its currently a bug that came with the big JB update a bit ago that allowed vote commands to be used while an admin is on and should be fixed.

 

[kuantum]

I see no reason for vote ban and vote kick to be removed. It is very helpful on the minigames server (@Cian) as well as the surf and bhop servers. Those who abuse the vote kick/vote ban will have it removed from them. Its currently a bug that came with the big JB update a bit ago that allowed vote commands to be used while an admin is on and should be fixed.

Here's what they can do to get an admin on the server quick, & in team chat contacts all admins on CS and one should get there reasonably quickly. At that point, it's a matter of simple convenience.

 

[Tyron]

I'd say keep them, just need the plugin fixed(should be) that doesn't allow the votes while admins are on. However I don't know why eG dont get a voteban or something while Os are not on. I get they donated but if you promote someone to an 'admin rank' then they should have more powers than someone who donates or at least the same. Just my two cents.

 

[Power_Outlet]

Here's what they can do to get an admin on the server quick, & in team chat contacts all admins on CS and one should get there reasonably quickly. At that point, it's a matter of simple convenience.

I'm fully aware of how to get admins on the server. Admins are not always on, nor do they always respond. Its a matter of simple convenience to just vote ban a player and make a ban request to have it upped as well.

 

[BeastTheNinja]

Admins still has a life though, DS have those powers, to get rid of trouble makers too yeah they dont get training how to use it and when they need to use it, but yeah its just a feature they have i guess, but they do help alot when admins aren't around if admins are on and they use it (if the admin is not afk) go warn the player that he should not use his VIP powers but if the admin is afk its cool they use the powers but they have to use it right. but if they get caught using their vip powers wrong report to leadership or warn them so they understand...


so my opinion now…

yeah keep the plugin and just fix where they can't use the powers until the admins are in spectator or left the server, simple is that i guess

 

[Spock]

If they want to know on what to do with votekicks and votebans have them message me on the forums since i was the only person that actually used it 24/7

 

[Grumpy Kitten]

I really think that there is no need to get rid of this plug in. It is very helpful for the players when there is no admins present. However if there are players abusing their kicks and bans then this does need to be taken to leadership.

 

[Simon]

I’ve had mixed feelings on this for some time now. I do dislike some people acting as if they are admins and overstepping their boundaries.

That being said, it’s incredibly busy on our CS servers and we don’t offer DS members too many perks - I think it’s useful to help sustain these busy and sometimes problematic servers.

I would like to see more people trying to recruit these DS members and help them become great members - clearly they’re active enough to want DS and generally can likely be steered in the right direction to eventually become great admins.

Like Power Outlet said, we can (or will) have the ability to turn it off for people who abuse it). But i think it’s a missed opportunity to help teach people and turn them into great admins.

Just my two cents from someone who doesn’t really play the servers a lot but has been on the fence about these perks for some time.

 

[Corrupted]

I don't like DS because people act like admins when they really aren't. At times people just give out orders to other players and act as if they're like higher or something. But it can be good whenever there's no admins on and there's lets say a mic spammer, mfker or whatever. I think that the bug should sorta stay because if an admin is on spec afking for hours or whatever you can't use the vote kick, I'm not sure if this is a thing but I'm preety sure I heard someone say it. I think that whenever a DS player uses their powers with an admin on I think they should get kicked for it, I think it should be a DS rule. If you look at the difference between an admin and a DS a lot of the times there's a difference, admins know the rules, they got trained on how to admin stuff and all that, while with DS its mostly what they think, they also kick you for stuff like arguing with them which is annoying. I think DS is good for whenever someone continously freekills/rdms, or anything like that. But some people who have DS act like admins because of their power, which happens a lot.

DS should have perks, such as masks and other stuff. But I think kuantum gave a good point, people can just get an E tag buy DS and literally admin the server which is stupid.

 

[Hydra]

If a DS uses votekick or voteban while an admin is on an admin should warn them. If they continue we all know what w/k/b is.

As for "if" they should have it, I don't see a reason for them not to.

 

[heidi]

I personally don't agree. In the years ive been apart of pG/eGO and they have allowed DS to vote kick and vote ban. I have only had a DS's power used wrongfully against me twice. Which I reported, and was taken care of. thats just my experience

DS supporters have guildlines, and if they break them, they are subjected to possibly getting those perks removed. i found the rules here. I'm pretty sure only DS and managers + can view idk

I don't like DS because people act like admins when they really aren't. At times people just give out orders to other players and act as if they're like higher or something. I think that whenever a DS player uses their powers with an admin on I think they should get kicked for it, I think it should be a DS rule.But some people who have DS act like admins because of their power, which happens a lot.

If DS are saying they are admins, they are impersonating technically, which is also reportable. They are not suppose to use their VK and VB when an admin is present as far as I know.

I would just report that minority of people who abuse their powers. Just like anything the community gives you, it can be taken away if you don't follow the rules/policy's they have in place, and that applies to Admins, DS, e's and who ever else. ?\_(ツ)_/?

 

[kuantum]

I'm fully aware of how to get admins on the server. Admins are not always on, nor do they always respond. Its a matter of simple convenience to just vote ban a player and make a ban request to have it upped as well.

You're right. However, why not just open votekicks and votebans to the server when an admin isn't on? The only difference between that and DS perks is you pay $5 dollars/month just for the privilege of being a [BUDGET ADMIN]. If no DS or admin is on, then why should servers not be able to defend against server disruptors?

It's a dumb argument that should and would never be implemented but I don't understand the logic or the concept that if you pay something a month, you get access to be an interim employee (O) in the no admin downtime.

TTT is the only CS:GO server that has some major downtime in which admins aren't online that needs real moderation. The only big issues MG, BHOP, and SURF face is pretty much disrespect, micspam, hacking, and racism. Not that racism isn't important to deal with (it is a permaban after all), but if there aren't admins on, you can record it (Windows 10 has a Shadowplay-like integration where it will record your session) and make a ban request and mute the player in game, which is probably what happens on BHOP and SURF, because players there aren't concerned with eGO's forums or rules.

And on the topic of TTT and JB, I really don't believe DS can kick people for FK or RDM (not mass) because it takes more to prove that it happened then just one player's side of the story.

If DS are saying they are admins, they are impersonating technically, which is also reportable. They are not suppose to use their VK and VB when an admin is present as far as I know.

They may not be an official admin but I wouldn't go so far into saying that it's impersonating. They have the ability to get someone kicked and banned (even if it's only 30 minutes) from the server. Admins moderate server disruptors using kicks and bans. It wouldn't be a far off inference that they are, essentially, a [BUDGET ADMIN].

 

[3dsam1]

The point of making it DS only and not opening it up to the public in my opinion is 1, they have to be an e or higher. 2, Its more of a failsafe. That player has already given the server money its a lot less likely for a DS to abuse his powers than if an e got them and abused them. However, I do understand that it is kinda ridiculous that DS can have as much if not more power than an admin. What if instead of making it vote bans and vote kicks removed, why not just remove votebans. Honestly, a 30 Min ban isnt gonna do much, making it a kick is going to get troublesome players out of the server temporarily, doesn't give e's more power than is and makes it more likely of someone to make a ban req.

 

[Spock]

The point of making it DS only and not opening it up to the public in my opinion is 1, they have to be an e or higher. 2, Its more of a failsafe. That player has already given the server money its a lot less likely for a DS to abuse his powers than if an e got them and abused them. However, I do understand that it is kinda ridiculous that DS can have as much if not more power than an admin. What if instead of making it vote bans and vote kicks removed, why not just remove votebans. Honestly, a 30 Min ban isnt gonna do much, making it a kick is going to get troublesome players out of the server temporarily, doesn't give e's more power than is and makes it more likely of someone to make a ban req.

a 30 min ban is enough to compile up the evidence, make a ban request and get a admin on so that in case if the ban request isnt accepted under 30 mins and the rule breaker comes back, the admins will be ready to make the ban on them.

 

[Corrupted]

a 30 min ban is enough to compile up the evidence, make a ban request and get a admin on so that in case if the ban request isnt accepted under 30 mins and the rule breaker comes back, the admins will be ready to make the ban on them.

Not gona lie, like 90% of the ds who used the vote ban don't even make a ban report lol

 

[Matrix]

Not gona lie, like 90% of the ds who used the vote ban don't even make a ban report lol

Or even make a kick/ban reason

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[3dsam1]

Or even make a kick/ban reason

I belive this is due to an issue with vote bans/kicks

 

[eNduRrE]

ah hell nah that’s a bad idea my g, also vote banning is a good thing for admins that can’t yet ban and have dedicated supporter, i see literally no reason to remove it cause in my honest opinion that would do more harm then good homie

 

[Hydra]

Mayhem Death

Any input?