Counter-Strike Lets talk about how Gun Toss works right now...

[ItBeLikeThatSometimes]

First i want to talk about picking up Guns when Lr is called. I think the way gun toss used to work for the longest time was that T's couldnt get a gun besides the pistol for gun toss, even before MS added the 500 health to CT's, or even at the very least it would wipe it out of thier hotbar after the pistol was placed in the inventory.

The way you could only get a gun for a while was you had to have a primary weapon as a T and stand on another primary weapon and when you call LR the T would be the one to automatically pick up the primary weapon at your feet but would have cleared when the pistols loaded into the inventorys. This was considered exploiting as you werent able to pick up guns due to the plugin i'm sure. Now you are able to pick up any gun for gun toss and doesn't get cleared out of your inventory.

When gun toss is called there is nothing stopping a T to run around the box where they hid the gun then proceed to kill the CT. Mind you the CT's are unarmed because it take a bit for the pistol to be loaded into your hotbar and feels unfair. This is how it has been recently since JB has came back up when it went out for a few weeks. This change wouldn't take away the ability to cheat a gun toss LR, but instead make it more fair to the CT's.


Second thing about Gun Toss Lr that I think should be added back would be not being able to pick up the pistols until both have dropped it, or at the very least not being able to pick up the pistol until it has fully stopped moving. There has been numerous times lately where you would gun toss and it would roll and if it rolls over any player without a secondary it would auto pick up and would need a re-roll. Nothing major just a quality of life that I think would be beneficial for both T's and CT's.

 

[SwizZx]

i upvote this change!! would also like to add that maybe 500 is too much but what about 300 heatlh for CT so we dont get cheated out of our gun toss

 

[Blame David]

ehh i feel like ts should have a major advantage
imo when i reach LR as warden ive already won and even in the rules it says "Their job is to oversee the Prisoners and Guards while using games to eliminate the Prisoners to reach LR." not "win LR"
once ts are at LR i believe its their turn to have fun after being bossed around and having to play games to live

 

[ItBeLikeThatSometimes]

i upvote this change!! would also like to add that maybe 500 is too much but what about 300 heatlh for CT so we dont get cheated out of our gun toss

nah keep both at 100 for fairness

 

[ItBeLikeThatSometimes]

ehh i feel like ts should have a major advantage
imo when i reach LR as warden ive already won and even in the rules it says "Their job is to oversee the Prisoners and Guards while using games to eliminate the Prisoners to reach LR." not "win LR"
once ts are at LR i believe its their turn to have fun after being bossed around and having to play games to live

I'm not saying either side take advantage, grabbing an ak and insta killing ct's while they have nothing in their hand isn't fair. Keeping health on both sides at 100 seems fair, not being able to grab a gun besides the pistol for gun toss seems fair. Even if they made it so the ct's and t's instantly got the pistol would seem fair.

 

[ItBeLikeThatSometimes]

I'm not saying either side take advantage, grabbing an ak and insta killing ct's while they have nothing in their hand isn't fair. Keeping health on both sides at 100 seems fair, not being able to grab a gun besides the pistol for gun toss seems fair. Even if they made it so the ct's and t's instantly got the pistol would seem fair.

I'm also talking about the first few seconds of the LR when they are waiting for the pistols to load, if you abuse this you could just go into arm spam 10 ak's on the ground, look down at the ak's call Gun Toss LR and instantly spray the ak.

Like I said unfair

 

[Blame David]

I'm not saying either side take advantage, grabbing an ak and insta killing ct's while they have nothing in their hand isn't fair. Keeping health on both sides at 100 seems fair, not being able to grab a gun besides the pistol for gun toss seems fair. Even if they made it so the ct's and t's instantly got the pistol would seem fair.

oh lol i read the original message wrong (it was 4am)
but pretty sure it was like that in CS:GO and cts just adapted by dropping their own gun before they ever get LR'ed
i dont remember if you get tped now as the ct which would make that impossible but also i think i remember cts used to tell ts to drop the primary cause of some loophole in the rules? i dont remember but yeah no i agree if cts cant do the same thing of dropping their gun

 

[Trippy]

First i want to talk about picking up Guns when Lr is called. I think the way gun toss used to work for the longest time was that T's couldnt get a gun besides the pistol for gun toss, even before MS added the 500 health to CT's, or even at the very least it would wipe it out of thier hotbar after the pistol was placed in the inventory.

When gun toss is called there is nothing stopping a T to run around the box where they hid the gun then proceed to kill the CT. Mind you the CT's are unarmed because it take a bit for the pistol to be loaded into your hotbar and feels unfair. This is how it has been recently since JB has came back up when it went out for a few weeks. This change wouldn't take away the ability to cheat a gun toss LR, but instead make it more fair to the CT's.

That's why CT's should oversee an LR to make sure their teammate doesn't get cheated out of an LR. If you're teammate doesn't want to oversee it blame them. the job for a T is to get the win for their own satisfaction or wiping out the CT's/getting a win for their teammates. The point I'm trying to make is that a T will cheat gun-toss regardless of getting a gun or not. It's never gonna be in favor of the CT's because the whole point is that they reached LR not CT's.

i think i remember cts used to tell ts to drop the primary cause of some loophole in the rules?

CT's have the ability to tell said person to drop their gun(Stated in the rules at 2.1.1.f), that doesn't conflict with said LR. Example: If I have an AK and a Deagle and it's guntoss. You can't tell them to drop their Deagle but you may tell them to drop their AK.

 

[pdt]

When gun toss is called there is nothing stopping a T to run around the box where they hid the gun then proceed to kill the CT. Mind you the CT's are unarmed because it take a bit for the pistol to be loaded into your hotbar and feels unfair. This is how it has been recently since JB has came back up when it went out for a few weeks. This change wouldn't take away the ability to cheat a gun toss LR, but instead make it more fair to the CT's.


Second thing about Gun Toss Lr that I think should be added back would be not being able to pick up the pistols until both have dropped it, or at the very least not being able to pick up the pistol until it has fully stopped moving. There has been numerous times lately where you would gun toss and it would roll and if it rolls over any player without a secondary it would auto pick up and would need a re-roll. Nothing major just a quality of life that I think would be beneficial for both T's and CT's.

Just some clarification from a tech front - while removing the "500hp safety net" we realized that some things had broke within the LR itself. You should not be able to pick up the guns & should not be able to stand on a gun in order to pick it up. This is hopefully going to be fixed within the coming days and should be pushed to live whenever finished. It will function the same as before but without the safety net of HP.

However the HP safety net being removed was a temporary measure to gauge the communities thoughts on if they prefer the LR with or without the safety net. Thank you all for your feedback, it is much appreciated <3.

 

[ItBeLikeThatSometimes]

Just some clarification from a tech front - while removing the "500hp safety net" we realized that some things had broke within the LR itself. You should not be able to pick up the guns & should not be able to stand on a gun in order to pick it up. This is hopefully going to be fixed within the coming days and should be pushed to live whenever finished. It will function the same as before but without the safety net of HP.

However the HP safety net being removed was a temporary measure to gauge the communities thoughts on if they prefer the LR with or without the safety net. Thank you all for your feedback, it is much appreciated <3.

W mans, everyone don't forget to !up Pdt next time he is online!