Rascism in INS

[metro]

Hi all,

I was wondering whether eGO tolerates "terrorist racism" in game and where we draw the line. I know "terrorist racism"is a broad term, but I hope people who play will understand

 

[Frank Booth]

I believe any kind of racism is not tolerated. Now sure what terrorism racism means, but i could find you a terrorist of any race. This, however, is a game and in no way reflects the complexity of war and its consequences. It should be about fun, just like you can have cops and bandits.

 

[XxArcherXx]

Many a time do players on the Insurgent team say or type "ALALALALALA" and other phrases that are [purposely] poorly imitating Middle Eastern terrorist.

I guess what Metro is asking is, "Is this behavior ok?"

I have no idea if action is taken against such acts. People genuinely are not meaning to hurt anyone, but simply get laughs. I have yet to hear anyone complain, but people have different opinions. As a member of =(eGO)=? I wouldn't suggest taking part in these actions, but whether or not is an offense to the rules I have no idea.

 

[Ikesik]

Im not sure what you are speaking of. Most of the stuff I have seen is juvenile at best, ignorant at worst. I have yet to see anything really offensive so Im not sure what you mean, but if you have some specifics you would like to address, please do so Additionally, I agree with Frank Booth when he says that it should be about fun. Anything that draws away from that ought not be done.

 

[metro]

Many a time do players on the Insurgent team say or type "ALALALALALA" and other phrases that are [purposely] poorly imitating Middle Eastern terrorist.

I guess what Metro is asking is, "Is this behavior ok?"

Yes, this is my question. Thanks for clarifying Archer.

 

[Nero]

We have to treat this a little bit differently than say in TF2. Because the game involves terrorists, it is a given that people will yell out "Allah Ackbar" which essentially means "God is Good". If this was yelled in another game it was be misconstrued. Seeing as this is an edge gamers server, we must handle it as mic or text spam, rather than a blatent racist statement.

In this instance, we would warn, kick, and ban rather than banning for racism.

Now on the other hand, if the person says something racially charged but not blatently racist in the line with lalalalalala or whatever it was, I was say to kick or ban the player based on racism.

Good question, btw. Thanks for asking it.

I hope this clarifies, we had this same discussion in a different area. Figured I would pass the response on to you guys.

 

[USCG Hammer]

Most of the stuff I have seen is juvenile at best, ignorant at worst.

This says it all. Persons using the "ALALALALALA" stuff is fine

 

[metro]

Ok, thanks guys.

 

[TeChN9nE]

as long its not a demographic used to humiliate a particular race I dont think you should consider it racism

 

[Drunkenfetus]

I dont know what the big deal is on this.. i love saying alah..team america anyone? that movie is perfect for this game.. thats all it is .. a game.. just common sense is all that is needed.. but i guess some dont have that.. shoot especially here in cali ahah

 

[H! Vltg3]

just common sense is all that is needed.. but i guess some dont have that.. shoot especially here in cali ahah

California, especially Southern California, is the last place anyone would have common sense.

 

[Drunkenfetus]

exactly... i restate my previous statemen.. lol

 

[Lightningcount]

Was a while back, but I did hear something from an EG that would def be considered rascist. We were on INS side on bagdad. We were trying to take the gas station asap. So at the beginning of the round, everyone on the mic was saying "Get C and rush the gas station."
Someone, I dont remember who, with an EG tag on said "Don't you think it is funny that the terrorists are trying to get IN the gas station?" At the time a couple of people laughed. All I could think was, wow I am glad no one was offended by that.

 

[TeChN9nE]

lightning I dont find that blatantly offensive nor racist really , I think this thread should be closed any ways this is beating a dead horse

 

[Khosrowshah]

Iam middle eastern and yea, its not really a big deal in my own personal opinion. I mean if iam an insurgent, i would joke about the marines and vice versa. Its really no big deal i think to just make jokes unless there REALLY is a fanatic who hates the people in the middle east and is launching a bunch of swearwards and insults that really shouldnt be said on the servers. NOW That would be racism.

 

[Daedalus]

If things like this are offensive I would have to quit making jokes when i am rushing up the hill to take Alpha point and screaming about feeling like a Banana.

And for those that do not know the joke:

What does a Marine and a Banana have in common: they start off green, get yellow with age, and die in bunches.

You have to remember that the game was conceived by an Iraq War Vet where you play one of two roles:

Marines - trying to bring freedom and democracy to an impoverished country
Mujahideen (plural) or Mujahid (singular) - Meaning struggler, US service men normally refer to them just as Muj

 

[Frank Booth]

California, especially Southern California, is the last place anyone would have common sense.

What is that supposed to mean? We have Cal Tech, UC Irvine which if you combine them they alone have more Noble Prize winners than any country in the world. Where is this bash Cali coming from?

 

[subtle_turtle]

The content of the game is irrelevant as far as the content allowed on the server, for the most part. No matter if the game is insurgents vs. marines, racism WILL NOT BE TOLERATED, particularly from clan members. If I see a clan member making racist comments, rest assured the ban hammer will fall, and quickly.
Now, that said, there are some grey areas, as Herm pointed out before. You all should know what is appropriate and what isn't. If it is something you wouldn't say in front of an audience of 32 strangers in reality, what would make it appropriate to say on the internet to an audience of 32 strangers? You don't know who is listening, and what their background is, or response will be. So your best bet is that if something seems iffy or possibly offensive, JUST DON'T SAY IT. Remember, when you have our clan tag on, you represent us, and we hold you to a very high standard.
The point of these rules isn't to censor your speech, or to give admins something to do. The point is that by holding and enforcing these rules, we foster a better environment for gamers. Things like the occasional curse word may not seem like a big deal, and to tell you the truth, it's not. However, go to some of the un-moderated servers. Things are often so chaotic, or downright abusive, that it's not even fun to play. I don't like being repeatedly cursed at or called a "Noob" because I'm not the best at the game, so I assume the others don't like that treatment either. This is why we have these rules, and why we actively enforce them.
It's about respect. It's about good sportsmanlike conduct. It's about having the most fun, best servers around. Racism is counter to all of those things, and will not be tolerated.

 

[BORAT!]

any kind of racism should not be tolerated. some people can take these racist comments very seriously and so racism should not be allowed no matter what race you are reffering to and another thing alalalalalla is just a comment its not really being racist its just a fun thing people get out of it but limit what you say cause people can take things very seriously

 

[Walker]

The terms "terrorism" and "terrorist" carry strong negative connotations. These terms are often used as political labels to condemn violence or threat of violence by certain actors as immoral, indiscriminate, unjustified or to condemn an entire segment of a population. Those labeled "terrorists" rarely identify themselves as such, and typically use other euphemistic terms or terms specific to their situation, such as: separatist, freedom fighter, liberator, revolutionary, vigilante, militant, paramilitary, guerrilla or rebel. They are not considered a "race" and therefore I find it hard to believe that someone can make a "racist" remark against them.

What IS racist is the fact that most people use crude (and often horrible) imitations of Arabic or otherwise "Middle Eastern" accents to identify with Terrorist. This is considered racists and is a warn able and ultimately ban able offense.

Any reference to towel head, dune coon, sand n***er or similar is considered racist. Saying something bad about a terrorist and using the WORD terrorist to describe the person such as "Lets kill that terrorist pig" is just fine.

As with all admin decisions, use discretion and always give a friendly warning before exercising your duty as an Admin.