CPU/ graphics question

[mattdabatt]

this question is not related to the 2nd part.
1)What is the best/safest way to remove the cpu from your motherboard? is it even possible?

2) Friend is complaining about how his graphics card is not even up to standards with most games. (AGP Port) He is thinking about getting a new graphics card. There is no way to get a new computer. So what should he buy a new graphics card(agp) or more ram(currently has 512ram) or both? all the info i got today

 

[xKodiakx]

1. take the heat sink off, release the hold down... and pick it up. Unless it's one of those like thermally attached kind... then we'd have to go into more detailed ways.


2. memory would be more beneficial in my opinion. friend of mine was in the EXACT situation, and went from 512 to 1GB and he was able to play games he couldn't before.

 

[Havegooda {A|R}]

It's easy to remove the CPU from a desktop, just remove the heatsink, unlatch the locking mechanism, and remove the CPU (watch the pins/contacts).

Depends on the GPU he has. He should be fine with 512MB and upgrading to a 3850 (best AGP card out IIRC).

~Gooda~

 

[bigbaddabooma]

It's easy to remove the CPU from a desktop, just remove the heatsink, unlatch the locking mechanism, and remove the CPU (watch the pins/contacts).

Depends on the GPU he has. He should be fine with 512MB and upgrading to a 3850 (best AGP card out IIRC).

~Gooda~

3850 is the only agp card out there now...
they stopped making agp cards almost 2 years ago ..

 

[chaosassualt]

3850 is the only agp card out there now...
they stopped making agp cards almost 2 years ago ..

I agree with him, he should get a new motherboard, a new grahpics card, and mabe a 1 gb ram stick

 

[Havegooda {A|R}]

3850 is the only agp card out there now...
they stopped making agp cards almost 2 years ago ..

There are plenty of AGP cards...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048 1069609639&name=AGP 4X/8X

~Gooda~

 

[chaosassualt]

They might still have some but the newer ones are much better like the 4870 or a 9600 GT

 

[bigbaddabooma]

There are plenty of AGP cards...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048 1069609639&name=AGP 4X/8X

~Gooda~

oh yes there are plenty.
but like I said they stopped making them 2 years ago..
like the 3850.

 

[Boyle]

Agp

I have the ATI 3850 AGP card on my old Dell XPS. It has a Pentium 3.2 cpu, 3 gigs of ram, 2x 250 gb hard drives, Windows XP, and a 400 watt power supply.
I had such lag issues in DODS that I knew an upgrade was in order. By the time I added up the cost of a new mobo, cpu, and vid card I realized I was looking at almost the same price as a cheap brand new PCI-e based system with everything else already in place. This may be out of your price range, but for around $700.00 you can get an Intel i7 920 based system from iBuypower.
In other words my 5 year old Dell XPS AGP based system is still fast and great, except for games. I would not advise anyone to waste their money on the ATI 3850 AGP card, because I have a nice system and it still lags like crazy and always at the wrong time. My card is even overclocked to its max and it still feels outdated.

 

[Havegooda {A|R}]

oh yes there are plenty.
but like I said they stopped making them 2 years ago..
like the 3850.

They're still making them mate, or else they'd be out of stock.

Anyway, if you want a cheap way to get a massive increase in performance, getting a nice C2D board (Gigabyte P35-DS3L), a nice Celly (E12XX or E2XXX), and a cheap 4830.

~Gooda~

 

[bigbaddabooma]

They're still making them mate, or else they'd be out of stock.

Anyway, if you want a cheap way to get a massive increase in performance, getting a nice C2D board (Gigabyte P35-DS3L), a nice Celly (E12XX or E2XXX), and a cheap 4830.

~Gooda~

they dont make apg cards..the last agp card made was the 3850.
they wouldnt be out of stock...
90% off ppl dont downgrade to older stuff,they upgrade. and if they still make them how come there is nothing above the 3850 or 6200.?

 

[Havegooda {A|R}]

they dont make apg cards..the last agp card made was the 3850.
they wouldnt be out of stock...
90% off ppl dont downgrade to older stuff,they upgrade. and if they still make them how come there is nothing above the 3850 or 6200.?

Read very carefully. I'll say this one more time. They still make AGP cards. If they stopped making them, there would be no more stock, and we wouldn't see them on Newegg two years after the interfaces supposed death. Their model numbers don't come into the equation. There are still people with AGP, and obviously there's a market for them, therefore the companies are still producing (making) AGP cards.

And as to why there's nothing above a 3850, etc, if I remember correctly, it's because the AGP port would bottleneck the card. The 3850 is the best you can get for that particular interface.

And as for people not "downgrading", you do realize that there are still people with PCI graphics? Not PCIe, PCI. I know two people personally and 3 online that still use PCI, and AGP would be a HUGE upgrade for them.

There, now you can drop it. Satisfied?

Two things will survive a nuclear blast: cockroaches and AGP

~Gooda~

 

[mattdabatt]

thanks guys. he has asustek computer inc p4sd-vx. umm im new at this but does any RAM stick work. or do i have to look for certain ones. IF YES. please help me find


- NEVERMIND i finally conviced my friend to just save up for a new comp.

 

[Havegooda {A|R}]

You can upgrade the RAM to 4GB max (apparently), but I don't think you'll have a problem with 8GB (the site I checked is probably outdated), but the cost/performance of 8GB of DDR isn't worth it, you might as well upgrade the entire system to a cheap C2D board with PCIe and DDR2.

If you're going to upgrade the RAM on that board (though, it looks like you aren't, this is just for reference), you'll be limited to (apparently) DDR400, with 1GB sticks being the highest capacity you can use. Like I said, the page may be outdated, so keep that in mind.

~Gooda~

 

[Die Geheimwaffe]

Read very carefully. I'll say this one more time. They still make AGP cards. If they stopped making them, there would be no more stock, and we wouldn't see them on Newegg two years after the interfaces supposed death. Their model numbers don't come into the equation. There are still people with AGP, and obviously there's a market for them, therefore the companies are still producing (making) AGP cards.

And as to why there's nothing above a 3850, etc, if I remember correctly, it's because the AGP port would bottleneck the card. The 3850 is the best you can get for that particular interface.

And as for people not "downgrading", you do realize that there are still people with PCI graphics? Not PCIe, PCI. I know two people personally and 3 online that still use PCI, and AGP would be a HUGE upgrade for them.

There, now you can drop it. Satisfied?

Two things will survive a nuclear blast: cockroaches and AGP

~Gooda~

You could be right but I wouldn't count on it. It's highly probably that they finished the production run a while ago and have the cards warehoused for shipping if/when retailers request them. Each manufacturer has a limited number of factories and the big bucks are in new cards. It's just like cars. You can buy "new cars" from years ago that have never been driven, but they don't make 07 models in 09 because the factories have changed the manufacturing process over to the new model.

 

[Tanooki]

You can upgrade the RAM to 4GB max (apparently), but I don't think you'll have a problem with 8GB (the site I checked is probably outdated), but the cost/performance of 8GB of DDR isn't worth it, you might as well upgrade the entire system to a cheap C2D board with PCIe and DDR2.

If you're going to upgrade the RAM on that board (though, it looks like you aren't, this is just for reference), you'll be limited to (apparently) DDR400, with 1GB sticks being the highest capacity you can use. Like I said, the page may be outdated, so keep that in mind.

~Gooda~

You do not need 4 GB of RAM on a 32 bit system, which I would stake my life on it that is exactly what his friend is running. 32 bit systems can only use a little over 3 GB, something like 3.22... (not exactly sure what the exact cap is, don't feel like looking it up).

 

[trykael]

yay...more arguing among the techs. he asked for some suggestions guys - not for everyone to use this thread to prove their dominance in the tech arena. thank you for those who gave him advice. let's all move on now.