The Zodiac Killer, still alive?

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I've always been interested in this person, but until know I've though he has been dead for awhile.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/zodiac-christmas-card.htm

This Christmas card was found at The San Fransisco Chronicle in March 2007. The post card was dated 1990, it was ignored for so long that it was cast aside as a "copycat" letter, but after a closer examination it was looking more and more like a legitimate letter. The feel, the handwriting, everything was just "off". After an "expert" had discredited it saying that "The zodiac never traced over the lines." meaning his writing was always in a straight line. Well, he was wrong. The zodiac has wrote out of the lines on several occasions.

I did the math, and presuming he was still active at the time of the date on the card, he must have started the killings as a very young man (18-early 20s). So, taking that in mind, he must have been in his early 50s or late 40s at the time of the card stamping. So he could be in his late 70s and still kickin' today.

What do you think?
 
I always thought that the Zodiac was the overweight man that the police arrested and when he went to jail the killings stopped. Then when he was released the killings resumed
 
Wow. After reading this thread, and doing some quick research about the Zodiac, I would now want to sleep with a weapon underneath my pillow.
 
All I have to say is that he is the best serial killer ever. Why? Noone knows who it is.
 
True it is unforunate we will never find out who he is. He's this generations Jack "The Ripper"
 
The Zodiac Killer is such an idiot I can only hope he is dead.
 
you know, i don't doubt he is alive, tbh, if he still is, when he dies, i bet you he will have a letter, on who it is and all that info on the dead bodies that was never released to the press, but thats just my perception on the point here :P
 
Nah. Serial killers like that reveal in the mystery. Why do you think it took so long to get BTK? Everyone assumed HE was dead. Then he had to taunt them one last time.

"By 2004, the investigation of the BTK Killer had gone cold. Then, Rader sent a letter to the police, claiming responsibility for a killing that had previously not been attributed to him. DNA collected from under the fingernails of that victim provided police with previously unknown evidence. They then began DNA testing hundreds of men in an effort to find the serial killer. Altogether, some 1100 DNA samples would be taken.The police corresponded with the BTK Killer (Rader) in an effort to gain his confidence. Then, in one of his communications with police, Rader asked them if it was possible to trace information from floppy disks. The police department replied that there was no way of knowing what computer such a disk had been used on, when in fact such ways existed. Rader then sent his message and floppy to the police department, which quickly checked the metadata of the Microsoft Word document. In the metadata, they found that the document had been made by a man who called himself Dennis. They also found a link to the Lutheran Church. When the police searched on the Internet for 'Lutheran Church Wichita Dennis', they found his family name, and were able to identify a suspect: Dennis Rader, a Lutheran Deacon. The police also knew BTK owned a black Jeep Cherokee. When investigators drove by Rader's house they noticed a black Jeep Cherokee parked outside.

The police now had strong circumstantial evidence against Rader, but they needed more direct evidence in order to detain him. They controversially obtained a warrant to test the DNA of a Pap smear Rader's daughter had taken at the University of Kansas medical clinic while she was a student there. The DNA of the Pap smear was a near match to the DNA of the sample taken from the victim's fingernails indicating that the killer was closely related to Rader's daughter. This was the evidence the police needed to make an arrest.
 
Starscream said:
I always thought that the Zodiac was the overweight man that the police arrested and when he went to jail the killings stopped. Then when he was released the killings resumed
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What, no. The zodiac has been seen, multiple times.

"On October 11, 1969, a man entered Paul Stine's cab at the intersection of Mason and Geary Streets in San Francisco and requested to be taken to Washington and Maple Streets in Presidio Heights. For reasons unknown, Stine drove only one block further to Cherry Street; the passenger then shot Stine once in the head with a 9 mm, took his wallet and car keys, and then tore off his shirt tail. He was observed by three teenagers across the street at 9:55 pm, who called the police as the crime was in progress. They observed the man wiping the cab down, and then walking away towards the Presidio, one block to the north. The police arrived minutes later, and the teen witnesses explained that the killer was still nearby.

Two blocks from the crime scene, Officer Don Fouke, also responding to the call, observed a white man walking along the sidewalk, then stepping onto a stairway leading up to the front yard of one of the homes on the north side of the street; the encounter lasted only five to ten seconds. The policeman's partner, Eric Zelms, did not see the man. The radio dispatch had alerted them to look for a black and not a white suspect, so they had no reason to talk to the man and drove past him without stopping; the mix-up in descriptions remains unexplained to this day. When the officers reached Cherry, Fouke was informed by Officer Pellisetti that they were in fact looking for a white suspect; Fouke realized that they must have passed the killer. The killer was estimated to be 35?45 years of age."

"On the night of March 22, 1970, Kathleen Johns was driving from San Bernardino to Petaluma to visit her mother. She was seven months pregnant and had her 10-month-old daughter beside her. While heading west on Highway 132 near Modesto, a car behind her began honking and flashing its lights. She pulled off the road and stopped. The man in the car parked behind her, stated her right rear tire was wobbling, and offered to tighten the lugs. After finishing his work, the man drove off, and when Johns pulled forward the wheel came off the car. The man stopped, backed up, and offered to drive her to the nearest gas station for help. She and her daughter climbed into his car. They drove past several service stations but the man did not stop. For some three hours he drove them up and down the backroads around Tracy, and when she asked why he was not stopping, he would change the subject.[4]

When the driver stopped at an intersection, Johns jumped out with her daughter and hid in a field. The driver came out to look for her, but when a truck driver came on the scene, Johns' abductor drove off. Johns hitched a ride to the police station in Patterson. As she gave her statement to the sergeant on duty, she noticed the police composite of Paul Stine's killer and recognized him as the man who abducted her and her child. Fearing the Zodiac might come back and kill them all, the sergeant had Johns wait in nearby Mil's Restaurant in the dark. When her car was found later, it had been gutted and torched."

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The police are pretty sure it was a guy named Arthur Leigh Allen, and he died in 1992 from a massive heart attack.
 
Prisoner416 said:
But his fingerprints and DNA didn't match...
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This, and if he was 35, today he would be 74. Its entirely possible he still gets around. *WARNING, dark irony* Since killing people looks like it would be good exercise (I told you it was dark) and he was presumably still "active" at the time the Christmas card was postmarked, I doubt he was in the medical condition *where* he would get a heart attack.
 
I have a book on this somewhere by John Douglas.

I have about three books signed by him and an audio recording of a lecture I attended hosted by him.

It really gets in-depth as to mental analysis and possible suspects.

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A good friend of mine had done research of his own into the zodiac killer.

He believed he had narrowed it down to 3 people, all cops, all dead...

So yeah...
 
Kenori said:
A good friend of mine had done research of his own into the zodiac killer.

He believed he had narrowed it down to 3 people, all cops, all dead...

So yeah...
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He was wrong.

I bet he never looked at these
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Its a picture taken of the post office box keys, this picture was sent with the card.


Tom Voigt, founder of the website Zodiackiller.com, attempted to track down the individual who had rented the post office box in December 1990. The investigation led Voigt to a man he dubbed ?Sam? and a list of circumstantial evidence which appeared to implicate the new suspect. ?He?s either the Zodiac,? Voigt said, ?or he?s a perfect example of how easy it is to find a great Zodiac suspect.?. After completing his amateur investigation, Voigt turned his information over to authorities who then conducted a quiet yet official investigation. ?Sam? was eventually cleared as a suspect.

The authenticity of the 1990 Christmas card became the subject of debate. While many who followed the case believed that the Zodiac was responsible for the familiar writing on the red envelope, others believed that the card was the work of a forger. The San Francisco Chronicle consulted with a retired handwriting expert who had once worked with the Zodiac letters. The expert claimed that he had ?memorized? the killer?s writing and, based on his memory, he determined that the card was a forgery. The person responsible for the writing on the envelope had traced over the lines in several places and, according to the expert, the Zodiac never did so. The expert was apparently unaware that the Zodiac had traced over the lines of his writing in several communications.
 
Hmmm, I dunno he never told me the specifics, just the conclusions he had come to.

ITs a very interesting case to say the least.
 
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