Army, Navy, Or Air Force?
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army ,my choice.
That's an emotionally charged message, making it difficult to respond to with a logical argument.
Anyhow, I like to take a stab in the dark here. I think he was talking about it from a financial stand point. Don't get me wrong, the military offers a lifestyle that I feel is above average. My old man being in the Army (for his 23rd year) has given me a lot of options that aren't available to a lot of other people; however, joining the army as a single with no dependents makes many of those benefits useless. Furthermore, a college educated person will have a much higher income than any enlisted.
Also, you can serve one's country by doing pretty much anything. I could be a postal carrier and serve the country. Or a police officer for that matter. It doesn't just have to be military. As long as I am paying taxes I am of SOME benefit to the nation.
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this is something that you should research your self
yes the Canadian military can give benefits both of my gf's parents were in the army and both got phd's in civil engineering while they were there one is still there raising up in ranks the other left to do consulting engineering so it worked for both of them and they both wanted to do engineering and would have still done it with out the forces it just helped as far as paying for it.
but iv have seen others go in hate it all while they are stuck there for there term and not come away with anything useful as far as education or experience.
you need to consider what you want to be doing with your life and how your going to get there.
from some of the people i have to deal with day to day it can seem like the people who actually enjoy there work and careers are very few and i belive that your better off doing what you enjoy even if you can make more at something you hate.
yes the Canadian military can give benefits both of my gf's parents were in the army and both got phd's in civil engineering while they were there one is still there raising up in ranks the other left to do consulting engineering so it worked for both of them and they both wanted to do engineering and would have still done it with out the forces it just helped as far as paying for it.
but iv have seen others go in hate it all while they are stuck there for there term and not come away with anything useful as far as education or experience.
you need to consider what you want to be doing with your life and how your going to get there.
from some of the people i have to deal with day to day it can seem like the people who actually enjoy there work and careers are very few and i belive that your better off doing what you enjoy even if you can make more at something you hate.
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Here in the states alot of people have been saying the Air Force is so much better because they have a higher standard of living, so you get paid more for a place to live.
You "pay" for that life style though. That's what US Air Force recruiters sell you on. "The Air Force life style." What they don't tell you (which was my biggest mistake) is that they CANNOT lock you into an MOS (or whatever the USAF calls it.) Only the US Army can lock you into a job BEFORE you swear in.
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Go Army! Granted I may be slightly biased, but I think joining the Army was the best decision I made. Just don't let the recruiters tell you what you want. You decide based on your interests, otherwise the military will suck.
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I'm personally in the Air Force and while I do admit that many recruiters will tell you whatever you need to hear to get you to join, my personal experience with Air Force recruiters is completely different from the stereotypes. One thing with the Air Force is that they are almost always trying to downsize, so 95% of the time the Air Force recruiters won't come after you to join, you actually have to go to them.
Also I was guaranteed my AFSC (job) in the Air Force before I had sworn in. It was actually in my papers that I signed that I was getting the job I requested. And I have to say that the Air Force standards of living are pretty high. Sure the pay isn't all that great, but when you look at all of the benefits that you get (Free food, housing, medical, dental, eye, etc.) they add up to more than you would expect. Plus the services that the bases provide such as free gym access, commissary, BX. So far my Air Force experience has been spectacular. Also the knowledge and certifications that I am getting will help me easily get a job outside of the Air Force should I decide to get out.
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Diplomacy
Who needs it.
Who needs it.
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DONT GO!!!!!.. no serious im not joking.. dont go and waste your time, do something valuable with it
All three sides of any argument there. This is what I told my brother after my time in The Marines. That's USMC. You need to decide what is best for you. Serving your country doesn't have to be the military nor does it have to be anything even government related. If you have no idea what you are going to do and need something to do, then yes pick the Navy. You'll go places and see things that might give you inspiration. The army will just throw you on a base somewhere. The Air Force the same.
This must be your choice. No one else's.
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I take this thread dear to heart, and while I understand that you're just looking for advice, plz ensure that the final choice is yours and not because of what people here or in your life around you say. I can only say that I've 12 years service with two deployments with the US Army. I choose the Army because of the adventure, the action, the chance to prove myself too myself. I can not speak for other branches due to the fact that I was only in the Army. Rummor has it.......and you'll learn lots about 'rummors' in service, Airforce is a laided back branch to join. Here in the USA, they get the life. Let's just say comming from a solider...they get spoiled. That's fine, if that's your lifestlye. I think the downfall to that is, many young airforce people get out thinking life it's self is surppose to hand them the things the Airforce did. They expect life to be easy, and things in life are frebies. It's like a life living with parents that spoil their kids...never wanting..never needing.
Navy brings many thoughts to my head, I know it's not for everyone. It depends on what your job is going to be. Here in the US, you can be part of a very proud and HONORABLE group, the Marines Crops. I have mad respect for them. During my travels around the world with the Army, I've ran into a number of them, and during my last deployment I had the honor to fight along side a squad of them. Let me tell you, they have their shot grouping TIGHT! I've learnt that they go above and beyond any standards the all other branches set. I'll just say, during wartime...you don't want to be against them, and during peace time you have a friend for life. The Crops seem to prepare a person for whatever life hands them, it teaches them never to give up and with hard work, you can have anything you want.
Army is what I was in, and I can say, their are ups and downs, as with anything. I would say the branch is almost on the same tier as the Crops, however because there are more people in the branch....it's shot group tends to sway left at times. If there's one thing I will say...you will build heaps of character should you join the Army. I have lots to be grateful for from the Army. Today I can stand in front of many of my peers and boast " I've had more things, been more places, seen more things and done than you will in your entire life! " I'll never forget my first year: Boot camp (8 weeks), AIT (15 weeks)...then off to Germany. I used to be a pure knucle head before the Army. Off the Streets of NYC, I believed in many things that you see on TV or in the movies about life in the streets. Had I not joined, I would not be here today, I'd be dead or in jail. Anyway, a good all around experience.
I know you said you didn't want to hear the " don't " go deal, so I won't say it. However I only ask that you really think about your choice in todays times. As I noted I was deployed twice, both within 2 years of each other. I'll not pass the buck, but I lost 2 wifes due to my deployments, the moral: don't get married if your in and know your not going to be home. And now I suffer from PSTD. Will have it for life. For me, if I had to do it all over...I would......4 times as a matter of fact. However I feel that I have to warn my younger peers that when in the service, in a branch like the Army or Marines, it's not what you see in war movies...the good guy always wins without so much as a scratch. It's not a walk in the park, and it can break you down to the core, only for you to rebuild yourself up again, to come out a total new person.
Bottem line, the choice is yours, your going to serve, that's 1 million cool points in my book! My advice: If you want to experience some ground pounding, hard core, heartstoping adventures. Look into the Crops or the Army.....want a little laid back but with some sort of action.... Navy. For walks in the park on a summer day while getting paid....do Airforce.
While I should put this in " Joke of the Day "....I feel it very fitting here:
Comparison of military operational tactics (Snake model)
Infantry:
Snake smells them, leaves area.
Airborne:
Lands on and kills the snake.
Armor:
Runs over snake, laughs, and looks for more snakes.
Airforce:
Has GPS coordinates to snake.
Can't find snake. Returns to base for refuel, crew rest and manicure.
Ranger:
Plays with snake, then eats it.
Field Artillery:
Kills snake with massive Time On Target barrage
with three Forward Artillery Brigades in support. Kills several
hundred civilians as unavoidable collateral damage. Mission is
considered a success and all participants (i.e., cooks, mechanics
and clerks) are awarded Silver Stars.
Special Forces:
Makes contact with snake, ignores all State
Department directives and Theater Commander Rules of Engagement by
building rapport with snake and winning its heart and mind. Trains it
to kill other snakes. Files enormous travel settlement upon return.
Combat Engineer:
Studies snake. Prepares in-depth doctrinal
thesis in obscure 5 series Field Manual about how to defeat snake using
counter mobility assets. Complains that maneuver forces don't
understand how to properly conduct doctrinal counter-snake ops.
Navy SEAL:
Expends all ammunition and calls for naval gunfire
support in failed attempt to kill snake. Snake bites SEAL and
retreats to safety. Hollywood makes fantasy film in which SEALS
kill Muslim extremist snakes.
Navy:
Fires off 50 cruise missiles from various types of ships,
kills snake and makes presentation to Senate Appropriations
Committee on how Naval forces are the most cost-effective means of
anti-snake Force projection.
Marine:
Kills snake by accident while looking for souvenirs.
Local civilians demand removal of all US forces from Area ofOperations.
Marine Recon:
Follows snake, gets lost.
Navy brings many thoughts to my head, I know it's not for everyone. It depends on what your job is going to be. Here in the US, you can be part of a very proud and HONORABLE group, the Marines Crops. I have mad respect for them. During my travels around the world with the Army, I've ran into a number of them, and during my last deployment I had the honor to fight along side a squad of them. Let me tell you, they have their shot grouping TIGHT! I've learnt that they go above and beyond any standards the all other branches set. I'll just say, during wartime...you don't want to be against them, and during peace time you have a friend for life. The Crops seem to prepare a person for whatever life hands them, it teaches them never to give up and with hard work, you can have anything you want.
Army is what I was in, and I can say, their are ups and downs, as with anything. I would say the branch is almost on the same tier as the Crops, however because there are more people in the branch....it's shot group tends to sway left at times. If there's one thing I will say...you will build heaps of character should you join the Army. I have lots to be grateful for from the Army. Today I can stand in front of many of my peers and boast " I've had more things, been more places, seen more things and done than you will in your entire life! " I'll never forget my first year: Boot camp (8 weeks), AIT (15 weeks)...then off to Germany. I used to be a pure knucle head before the Army. Off the Streets of NYC, I believed in many things that you see on TV or in the movies about life in the streets. Had I not joined, I would not be here today, I'd be dead or in jail. Anyway, a good all around experience.
I know you said you didn't want to hear the " don't " go deal, so I won't say it. However I only ask that you really think about your choice in todays times. As I noted I was deployed twice, both within 2 years of each other. I'll not pass the buck, but I lost 2 wifes due to my deployments, the moral: don't get married if your in and know your not going to be home. And now I suffer from PSTD. Will have it for life. For me, if I had to do it all over...I would......4 times as a matter of fact. However I feel that I have to warn my younger peers that when in the service, in a branch like the Army or Marines, it's not what you see in war movies...the good guy always wins without so much as a scratch. It's not a walk in the park, and it can break you down to the core, only for you to rebuild yourself up again, to come out a total new person.
Bottem line, the choice is yours, your going to serve, that's 1 million cool points in my book! My advice: If you want to experience some ground pounding, hard core, heartstoping adventures. Look into the Crops or the Army.....want a little laid back but with some sort of action.... Navy. For walks in the park on a summer day while getting paid....do Airforce.
While I should put this in " Joke of the Day "....I feel it very fitting here:
Comparison of military operational tactics (Snake model)
Infantry:
Snake smells them, leaves area.
Airborne:
Lands on and kills the snake.
Armor:
Runs over snake, laughs, and looks for more snakes.
Airforce:
Has GPS coordinates to snake.
Can't find snake. Returns to base for refuel, crew rest and manicure.
Ranger:
Plays with snake, then eats it.
Field Artillery:
Kills snake with massive Time On Target barrage
with three Forward Artillery Brigades in support. Kills several
hundred civilians as unavoidable collateral damage. Mission is
considered a success and all participants (i.e., cooks, mechanics
and clerks) are awarded Silver Stars.
Special Forces:
Makes contact with snake, ignores all State
Department directives and Theater Commander Rules of Engagement by
building rapport with snake and winning its heart and mind. Trains it
to kill other snakes. Files enormous travel settlement upon return.
Combat Engineer:
Studies snake. Prepares in-depth doctrinal
thesis in obscure 5 series Field Manual about how to defeat snake using
counter mobility assets. Complains that maneuver forces don't
understand how to properly conduct doctrinal counter-snake ops.
Navy SEAL:
Expends all ammunition and calls for naval gunfire
support in failed attempt to kill snake. Snake bites SEAL and
retreats to safety. Hollywood makes fantasy film in which SEALS
kill Muslim extremist snakes.
Navy:
Fires off 50 cruise missiles from various types of ships,
kills snake and makes presentation to Senate Appropriations
Committee on how Naval forces are the most cost-effective means of
anti-snake Force projection.
Marine:
Kills snake by accident while looking for souvenirs.
Local civilians demand removal of all US forces from Area ofOperations.
Marine Recon:
Follows snake, gets lost.
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Dont go !!! :d:d:d
I really respect you taking time out of your day to write this long insightful report on your opinion of the armed forces, I really enjoyed reading it and it has inspired me to reach higher. Thank you also for making the ultimate sacrifice by leaving what you had to go and fight for what you believed in, to small of a number can say that they won against all odds. After reading this report I have realized one thing, it's not only about protecting your country and what you believe in, but also proving to yourself that you are strong enough to survive the horror that is war. And in the words of a famous video game (Fallout 3) "War never changes". So far the navy is my #1 choice mostly because of the experiences you get from the navy, plus the fact that my grandpa was a navy man and I always looked up to him even if he was a angry old coot. Either way, thank you very much for the insight and the funny add on at the end of the report, hilarious.
Thanks,
Jamester
American here. Our countries' Navy and Air Force offer lots of travel and great food (AF is the best). However, there is a long time away from your base/home. Coast Guard is also a good one because once your out of the CG you can automatically become a cop or DEA officer.
The army is crap in our country, bad treatment and bad food. Plus being in the desert sucks.
Source: My pop; 9 years in the Army Reserve and 4 years in the Navy.
The army is crap in our country, bad treatment and bad food. Plus being in the desert sucks.
Source: My pop; 9 years in the Army Reserve and 4 years in the Navy.
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1. Go to the academy or whatever and train to be an officer cause you will get payed more and have a better job than the regular recruits.
2. join which ever you find the most interesting
Thats what i would do xD
2. join which ever you find the most interesting
Thats what i would do xD
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Now, there's only one problem with the above. Playing with a crushed snake and subsequently consuming it doesn't sound too appetizing.
On a side note to the thread topic, its important to know that home is where you happen to lay your head to rest that night. It isn't in some country 10,000 miles away, in a neighborhood bordered by heavy forest to the north and civilization to the east. Its where you are, right then and there. Perhaps an apathetic point of view, but true none-the-less.
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