Cupcake, thanks for that post, but we preatty much made the vote to switch over to 4.0. We have invested in books, and DnD insider. We are pretty happy with the choice really, everyone likes it alot more because we have a mixed group of players. Lots of casuals with a few hardcore members. The casuals like the fact that they are outclassed too much by hardcore character builders, and the hardcore like that they no longer have to take care of them. Also there is a LOT less arguing over rules, its alot more streamlined. Our group is very focused on stories, and the combat ussualy slowed us down with an encounter lasting 2 hours (we have 6-7 playing ussualy) with the majority of the time spent diving into the rules books.