Storms Coming

First, as to moving, from a common sense perspective, that is a ridiculous suggestion. Second, as to starting your own ISP, from an emerging market perspective, there are these things called barriers to entry. ISP's have one of the highest barriers to entry into the free market. It's right up there with gas companies and electric companies. It's getting to the point in America where the internet will be a necessary utilities just like the 2 aforementioned. This is where there is need for government regulators to step in and say enough is enough and thankfully they are finally intervening and taking the matter up. Just recently the FCC released a statement about net neutrality and they have added to their upcoming agenda to address the comcast/netflix issue, as well as net neutrality, ISP's, and censoring in general. Like I said before, I just hope it's not too little too late. And on a side note, serious topics deserve, serious, intelligent answers.

public internet sucks

The government of Michigan I think, has rolled out their own ISP, and everyone that uses it hates it. Slow, customer supports sucks, and isn't much cheaper.

It isn't like water where all you have to do is pipe it to the house
 
public internet sucks

The government of Michigan I think, has rolled out their own ISP, and everyone that uses it hates it. Slow, customer supports sucks, and isn't much cheaper.

It isn't like water where all you have to do is pipe it to the house

No offense, reflex, but your point? Internet is kind of crappy to get in America right now. I wish it had the same availability as South Korea (something like 20Mb/s for $15 a month... :cursing: ).
 
public internet sucks

The government of Michigan I think, has rolled out their own ISP, and everyone that uses it hates it. Slow, customer supports sucks, and isn't much cheaper.

It isn't like water where all you have to do is pipe it to the house

I'm not saying the government should control it or come out with their own. I still believe it should be privately owned. What I am saying, is that in this country I am entitled to certain rights and liberties. One good example is freedom of press and speech. And along those lines is censorship. ISP's DO NOT have the RIGHT to censor what I choose to bring down my pipe when it comes to the internet (so long as it's legal). This is something that as of yet hasn't been addressed and needs to be. And as to water. Like I said, it's getting to the point where the internet WILL BE a basic utility. 20 years from now, it will be considered one. It's being woven into our lives at such an extreme extent that we won't be able to live without it, just like in Wisconsin, we can't live without heat in the winter. You need it unless you want to freeze your butt off.
 
The best part is that MPAA and RIAA already cry about piracy, Well it's about to get worst thanks to comcast.
 
Fist off, pardon my language, but this pisses me off. And everyone who uses the internet should also be pissed off.

http://gizmodo.com/5701746/comcast-is-making-netflix-partners-pay-a-toll-to-deliver-movies

This is just the beginning of the hell that will be isp's controlling, filtering, and censoring content.

Yeah, we are boned on net-neutrality. All the major ISPs have been signing paper work as quietly as possible behind closed doors for a while now. In the very near future, its likely we won't be paying for bandwidth, well be paying for the web like cable. The problem is the most basic package, whether its free or not like with tv, will probably be like 9 or 15 websites and you will be getting your access based on tier-packages, JUST like tv.

Imagine, 'basic' internet will just be something like, free youtube, msn, yahoo, facebook, your banks website and a few other groups who have a lot of market share. Once they go to this system of selling you access to only so many websites, you can forget about a lot of higher speed options available, the focus will go away from speed of an individual connection and to just making sure that "everyone in america can reach the internet" just like everyone can have basic broadcast tv.

As someone who has worked in an enterprise network environment, I want to say there is actually a reason for Comcast to want to charge Level3 for bandwidth they are using on Comcast's network.

The fact is "peering", as we call it in the industry, is a two-way street. Companies peer with each other in order to exchange traffic to benefit customers.

For example, Company A has network routes and bandwidth with providers that are too expensive for Company B to pay transit for. These providers are usually of a higher quality, and/or have specific network routes (eg. overseas to a specific continent). Company B wants to be able to improve connectivity for customers in certain parts of the world (or even just locally) by utilizing the routes Company A has with their network.

For this to happen, one of two things can occur:

1. Company B buys transit from Company A (costs money).
2. Company B peers with Company A because it is beneficially mutual for both companies to do so (free).

Now with peering, it costs both companies money to allow traffic to be exchanged. Company A pays for bandwidth that is used on their network, and Company B does the same for theirs. Though they both pay for the bandwidth utilized on their networks, their peering will benefit their customers and network more than what it would cost them to be peered every month.

However, most peering agreements will include contractual obligations for a minimum and maximum amount of bandwidth, off-peak/peak usage restrictions, and even service level agreements (gauranteed uptime and availability). This would ensure that neither company takes advantage of using the other company's bandwidth without an equal level in return, and prevents one company from utilizing all of the other company's bandwidth and degrading their network.

With regards to Comcast vs. Level3 Communications..

If Netflix (a customers of Level3's) is utilizing a lot of bandwidth, and Level3 is pushing so much bandwidth onto Comcast's network that their network is starting to see a degradation of service, then Comcast has every right to either charge Level3 for the bandwidth (their disputed fee), or prevent Level3 from using their network.

However, because of the way Comcast explained it with it filtering Netflix specificly, it could be grounds for the Net Neutrality argument.

It all comes down to whether or not filtering is being used because it is to deny service from a competitor, or because of costs of bandwidth or network performance.
 
Then move or start your own ISP.

Or move to some non-capitalist country that provides internet

With all due respect, all of these suggestions are a bit ridiculous. A. Many people can't afford to move (not on the whim of poor ISPs, at that); B. most people who can afford to move may just wind up moving into another Comcast-riddled area, and C. the competitors in the area, as was mentioned, may be terrible as well.

It's not that I don't understand your point; that Comcast CAN do what they want, but should they? I don't feel that they should. With great power comes great responsibility. Just because they have the ability to shaft their customers, most of whom can do nothing about it, doesn't mean it's fair or right.

As someone who does know what he's doing when it comes to most technology, and as a guy who lives with a brother who knows MUCH more, (seeing as my brother went to an ITT Tech and passed through with flying colors), I know that it isn't my fault or my family's fault that we receive terrible service from Comcast. We know what we're doing, so we can still get terrible support and service from Comcast without it being our faults. I'd like to think that, anyway.

While I realize it differs from area to area, Comcast as a whole seems to be recognized as a horrible ISP from everyone I've talked to. I hear "Comcast is bad" several times more often than I ever hear "yeah, Comcast is okay".
 
Yeah, we are boned on net-neutrality. All the major ISPs have been signing paper work as quietly as possible behind closed doors for a while now. In the very near future, its likely we won't be paying for bandwidth, well be paying for the web like cable. The problem is the most basic package, whether its free or not like with tv, will probably be like 9 or 15 websites and you will be getting your access based on tier-packages, JUST like tv.

Imagine, 'basic' internet will just be something like, free youtube, msn, yahoo, facebook, your banks website and a few other groups who have a lot of market share. Once they go to this system of selling you access to only so many websites, you can forget about a lot of higher speed options available, the focus will go away from speed of an individual connection and to just making sure that "everyone in america can reach the internet" just like everyone can have basic broadcast tv.


ok that went went WAY over my head. Bye bye. From what I understand Netflix users are getting screwed over? well in that case Ha Pi****b** for the win (I blocked out the rest so you can only assume what I meant :D)

Ohh yeah comcast for me rocks here I think :D
 
Kinda new news...

Minutes ago, the FCC passed new rules -- written by corporations -- that will end Net Neutrality. For the first time in history, the U.S. government approved corporate censorship of the Internet, putting the future of online free speech at risk. Unbelievably, the person leading the charge was Obama appointee Julius Genachowski (known in some circles as Judas GenaComcast for his historic sellout and notorious industry-friendly attitude).

Full Article
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-rosenbaum/breaking-fcc-breaks-obama_b_799844.html
 
Kinda new news...

Minutes ago, the FCC passed new rules -- written by corporations -- that will end Net Neutrality. For the first time in history, the U.S. government approved corporate censorship of the Internet, putting the future of online free speech at risk. Unbelievably, the person leading the charge was Obama appointee Julius Genachowski (known in some circles as Judas GenaComcast for his historic sellout and notorious industry-friendly attitude).

Full Article
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-rosenbaum/breaking-fcc-breaks-obama_b_799844.html

And this makes me a very sad panda :(
 

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