Orianna Spotlight

[Funn3lcak3s]

She's not useless, I will admit to that, yet when an eve can tower dive me with full hp at level 9, kill me, and walk off, I think she IS too squishy. These aren't mistakes I make. I play the game with careful thinking and always keeping multiple options. Soraka has 2 heals, a silence, and is able to survive a lot more than Orianna. Janna herself is faster, has a slow, a knockup, and a shield. Orianna has a shield if she puts it on herself, which last for very little, and a slow/speed up for 2 seconds, which matters little for people who can dash like xin or akali, or someone who runs fast like eve.

Orianna can deal some damage, and is useful for a team fight, yet I'd rather go with Soraka or Janna any day over Orianna simply because I believe they are better than Orianna. Yet, I'll still play Orianna every now and then because she is a pretty fun champ.

Her stats are decent when you have the ball on you, but when you're using it to support or fight with.. little armor and magic resist.

*Waiting for more people to argue with*

Idk the shield is pretty nice, saved many a teammate with it. Then again I max it first cause its beastly. Orianna has the same things you mentioned that Janna has. Slow is W, Knock Up is her ult. Her shield is obviously E. Also what level was the eve?

 

[Jashadow]

Idk the shield is pretty nice, saved many a teammate with it. Then again I max it first cause its beastly. Orianna has the same things you mentioned that Janna has. Slow is W, Knock Up is her ult. Her shield is obviously E. Also what level was the eve?

Orianna's ult is too long of a cooldown to be considered a knock out you can always rely on, although in a team fight, it is VERY useful to have; especially if the team is completely even with one another.

eve = level 9. A burst damage is Orianna's worst nightmare... wait, it's a squishy's worst nightmare. Oh well. I just expect a buff for her in the next patch or two. But I could be wrong. Hell, I bet a lot of people will think i'll be wrong. But it's what i think.

 

[Lava]

She's not useless, I will admit to that, yet when an eve can tower dive me with full hp at level 9, kill me, and walk off, I think she IS too squishy. These aren't mistakes I make. I play the game with careful thinking and always keeping multiple options. Soraka has 2 heals, a silence, and is able to survive a lot more than Orianna. Janna herself is faster, has a slow, a knockup, and a shield. Orianna has a shield if she puts it on herself, which last for very little, and a slow/speed up for 2 seconds, which matters little for people who can dash like xin or akali, or someone who runs fast like eve.

Orianna can deal some damage, and is useful for a team fight, yet I'd rather go with Soraka or Janna any day over Orianna simply because I believe they are better than Orianna. Yet, I'll still play Orianna every now and then because she is a pretty fun champ.

Her stats are decent when you have the ball on you, but when you're using it to support or fight with.. little armor and magic resist.

*Waiting for more people to argue with*

So after 1-2 days of her being out, you'll already drop the champ for others deeming to be more useful?

And I find it funny that you say an eve came at you with full health and just dropped you within the tower? Either you just sat there and let it happen or she was fed behind belief. Either over leveling you, farming better, or just kill fed. You also mention few champions out of 70+ that can counter her? Thats a problem with most champions.

Both the champions I mentioned are the #1 supports at the moment. If you really need all their ability's at once to survive in a lane, then you're doing something wrong. Also are you going solo lane? Because I wouldn't recommend that either. Since you did state she has no escape ability's and for being so squishy, then the best bet is a duo lane bottom with a carry. She is most likely made for carries to grab the kills. Her kit is more towards support anyway.

 

[Jashadow]

So after 1-2 days of her being out, you'll already drop the champ for others deeming to be more useful?

Yes. I've had my fun with her.

And I find it funny that you say an eve came at you with full health and just dropped you within the tower? Either you just sat there and let it happen or she was fed behind belief. Either over leveling you, farming better, or just kill fed. You also mention few champions out of 70+ that can counter her? Thats a problem with most champions.

She was fed off of kills and from minions. Mostly because I assumed if I went out of the tower's range, I would die. Didn't stop her mid game.

Both the champions I mentioned are the #1 supports at the moment. If you really need all their ability's at once to survive in a lane, then you're doing something wrong. Also are you going solo lane? Because I wouldn't recommend that either. Since you did state she has no escape ability's and for being so squishy, then the best bet is a duo lane bottom with a carry. She is most likely made for carries to grab the kills. Her kit is more towards support anyway.

#1 Supporter? Jilybean would laugh . And playing as Orianna, she needs something more to survive. As I've said before, she has decent defense/MR when the ball is on her, but it's always flying everywhere. And solo lane as Orianna? I don't recommend that either. I was with a tank though; a malphite, who I assume was new with malphite, by the way he was playing. Orianna is more of a support to play with an aggressive carry. She can harass good and slow the enemy while speeding you up, which would be perfect for.. say Tryndamere.

 

[Lava]

Yes. I've had my fun with her.


She was fed off of kills and from minions. Mostly because I assumed if I went out of the tower's range, I would die. Didn't stop her mid game.



#1 Supporter? Jilybean would laugh . And playing as Orianna, she needs something more to survive. As I've said before, she has decent defense/MR when the ball is on her, but it's always flying everywhere. And solo lane as Orianna? I don't recommend that either. I was with a tank though; a malphite, who I assume was new with malphite, by the way he was playing. Orianna is more of a support to play with an aggressive carry. She can harass good and slow the enemy while speeding you up, which would be perfect for.. say Tryndamere.

I didn't know jilybean was in top elo or even in this argument. All it takes is logic to play this champion.

First game as her. All i was on was the champion spotlight. I laned with a blitz vs Ashe and Lee Sin. 2 Great damage dealing champions. Wanna know what i did? I stayed back knowing my distance and harassed them back. Never over extended, warded as much as i could, and did decent damage without very much AP (I had maybe 4 stacks of the Majs.). Very easy champion to play. Just have to know where your ball is and place it correctly.

 

[Jashadow]

I didn't know jilybean was in top elo or even in this argument. All it takes is logic to play this champion.

First game as her. All i was on was the champion spotlight. I laned with a blitz vs Ashe and Lee Sin. 2 Great damage dealing champions. Wanna know what i did? I stayed back knowing my distance and harassed them back. Never over extended, warded as much as i could, and did decent damage without very much AP (I had maybe 4 stacks of the Majs.). Very easy champion to play. Just have to know where your ball is and place it correctly.

Jilybean is the best support player I know. Ask any other eGO people, and I'm pretty sure they'll tell you the same.

What did Carmine tell me.. oh, something about not letting personal experiences, especially one game, meaning everything on a champion. I've gone 14-2-20 with her. I've also fed completely. Good games happen, and bad games happen. Yes, you are supposed to stay back and control the ball and deal damage that way. What of it? She does very little damage, although, over time the damage adds up. But wait.. how much mana does she have and how much mana does each move cost? Exactly. Not worth it, in my opinion. Man, I love discussion forums.

 

[fathobo]

I love how neither of you know what you are talking about. And how the more experienced players know this as well, but rather not say anything to offend you guys.

 

[Lava]

I love how neither of you know what you are talking about. And how the more experienced players know this as well, but rather not say anything to offend you guys.

Do you mean experience as in time or more experience in understanding the game?

I also played that one game to prove a point. She isn't squishy and she does loads of damage even without many AP items.

So the initial argument is over.

 

[Jashadow]

I love how neither of you know what you are talking about. And how the more experienced players know this as well, but rather not say anything to offend you guys.

We're just stating our different opinions on the newest champion. Come, join us.

Also, I think (in time playing the game), Lava and I have more experience than you. And in understanding the game.. It's only human nature to think you're better than someone else.

 

[fathobo]

I'll just say this. She is just about the most even champion Riot has made. She might need a few changes, and survivability is not one that's for sure.

First off, Riot has no idea what it is talking about, just because a champion can give another champion a shield does not make her support. Morgana can give someone a shield that reflects CC abilities but that doesn't it make her support does it, Zilean can speed up a character to run faster or revive another champion but that doesn't make him a support does it?

Also, why in the world are you playing her as a support? The amount of damage she does face rolls people and playing her as a support is a waste of your time and your whole team. Her AP damage is amazing and I don't know how By the way, she can 1v1 like a boss, cause of her early harass (if you didn't see Phreak in the champion spotlight I don't know what you saw). You can get a serious amount of kills if you harass early game and she can take some damage, if you play smart and buy your health pots and wards you should be fine.

Lava, there is no #1 support out there, there are actually quite a few that are beneficial to a team. Each character is good for a specific purpose. Sure Soraka and Janna are the common ones said but so is Taric if you didn't see the WCG tourney. Other boss supports can be Sona, Taric, Kayle.

Before I end this I would like to ask a question, do you watch streams?
If you said yes, then you should know by now that the best players in the game HotShotGG and BigFatGG are playing Orianna and face rolling kids by going AP and not support, and these are top tier ranked players, who both are going to DreamHack. You can learn a lot by just watching how top tier people play and if you say you win all your matches and think you don't have to watch streams to become a stronger player, then I don't know what to say.

EVE IS A PRO SUPPORT.

 

[Carmine]

First off, support can be built pure AP. See: Soraka.

Secondly, Zilean and Morgana ARE support champions.

Thirdly, Orianna is a more difficult Lux with occasional higher payoff. They both edge the line between nuker and support.

She has an aoe Slow/Haste. Lux has an aoe slow. She has a single target shield with a armor/mr buff, Lux has an aoe shield. Their crowd control and damage abilities lie on their Q/Rs.


Orianna is fine right now. She may need a few minor usability buffs. A bit extra speed on her Q, a bit more range on the Q. That's it.

So far I find an effective build aims for sustainability and maxing her cooldown reduction. Her AP ratios are a bit low but combined are rather good, so Deathcap is good to rush regardless.

 

[Mr.Game]

First off, support can be built pure AP. See: Soraka.

Secondly, Zilean and Morgana ARE support champions.

Thirdly, Orianna is a more difficult Lux with occasional higher payoff. They both edge the line between nuker and support.

She has an aoe Slow/Haste. Lux has an aoe slow. She has a single target shield with a armor/mr buff, Lux has an aoe shield. Their crowd control and damage abilities lie on their Q/Rs.


Orianna is fine right now. She may need a few minor usability buffs. A bit extra speed on her Q, a bit more range on the Q. That's it.

So far I find an effective build aims for sustainability and maxing her cooldown reduction. Her AP ratios are a bit low but combined are rather good, so Deathcap is good to rush regardless.

How would Morello's Evil Tome favor on Orianna? It's got AP/M-regen/CDR
all packaged in one item.

 

[Jashadow]

First off, support can be built pure AP. See: Soraka.

Secondly, Zilean and Morgana ARE support champions.

Thirdly, Orianna is a more difficult Lux with occasional higher payoff. They both edge the line between nuker and support.

She has an aoe Slow/Haste. Lux has an aoe slow. She has a single target shield with a armor/mr buff, Lux has an aoe shield. Their crowd control and damage abilities lie on their Q/Rs.


Orianna is fine right now. She may need a few minor usability buffs. A bit extra speed on her Q, a bit more range on the Q. That's it.

So far I find an effective build aims for sustainability and maxing her cooldown reduction. Her AP ratios are a bit low but combined are rather good, so Deathcap is good to rush regardless.

I have to agree with everything you just said except I still think she needs a little buff. Nothing major, but reducing mana cost of her abilities early game or something.

She's still a little too squishy in my opinion though..

 

[Carmine]

How would Morello's Evil Tome favor on Orianna? It's got AP/M-regen/CDR
all packaged in one item.

Key item imo. With just 9/0/21 masteries, flat CDR blues it puts you almost at the cap. This lets you build Sorc Shoes or Merc Treads. Alternatively you can use different blues and go cooldown boots. With flash and ghost she can keep her distance (autoattacking isn't worth it unless you are winning a fight hard.

An ideal build would look something like:

Boots + 3 health potions
Philo Stone
Philo Stone
Upgrade boots
Evil Tome
Deathcap
Rylai's

Sell or upgrade philo stones for situational defensive items. Things like GA and Force of Nature.

 

[Lava]

I'll just say this. She is just about the most even champion Riot has made. She might need a few changes, and survivability is not one that's for sure.

First off, Riot has no idea what it is talking about, just because a champion can give another champion a shield does not make her support. Morgana can give someone a shield that reflects CC abilities but that doesn't it make her support does it, Zilean can speed up a character to run faster or revive another champion but that doesn't make him a support does it?

Also, why in the world are you playing her as a support? The amount of damage she does face rolls people and playing her as a support is a waste of your time and your whole team. Her AP damage is amazing and I don't know how By the way, she can 1v1 like a boss, cause of her early harass (if you didn't see Phreak in the champion spotlight I don't know what you saw). You can get a serious amount of kills if you harass early game and she can take some damage, if you play smart and buy your health pots and wards you should be fine.

Lava, there is no #1 support out there, there are actually quite a few that are beneficial to a team. Each character is good for a specific purpose. Sure Soraka and Janna are the common ones said but so is Taric if you didn't see the WCG tourney. Other boss supports can be Sona, Taric, Kayle.

Before I end this I would like to ask a question, do you watch streams?
If you said yes, then you should know by now that the best players in the game HotShotGG and BigFatGG are playing Orianna and face rolling kids by going AP and not support, and these are top tier ranked players, who both are going to DreamHack. You can learn a lot by just watching how top tier people play and if you say you win all your matches and think you don't have to watch streams to become a stronger player, then I don't know what to say.

EVE IS A PRO SUPPORT.

So you brought Solo Que and Team 5 v 5 into this? Lol, those have 2 different play styles. We saw CLG get wrecked in the tournament because they didn't play any 5 v 5's before hand. They barley made it out after getting serious and getting practice from inside the tournament itself.

And as far as iv known, Morgana has been a support. She is put into team comps as support, not the AP carry.

As for watching streams, i do occasionally, but to become better? No. It's not a requirement. Are they there because they watched existent streams when they weren't on the top?

Edit - And i was the one arguing that she was fine. Did you even read the entire argument?

 

[Aneruen]

I'll just say this. She is just about the most even champion Riot has made. She might need a few changes, and survivability is not one that's for sure.

First off, Riot has no idea what it is talking about, just because a champion can give another champion a shield does not make her support. Morgana can give someone a shield that reflects CC abilities but that doesn't it make her support does it, Zilean can speed up a character to run faster or revive another champion but that doesn't make him a support does it?

wat


also, yes, those abilities do make them support. Does that mean you can't build them AP? No. Maokai is listed as a tank, but I often build him AP - just because there are certain tags doesn't mean you can't play a champion differently.