Leona isn't released yet

[Aneruen]

Her ratios are .3, .4 .4 and .8 (ult). Why play her AP when you could be an amazing tank..?

 

[SpaceCore]

You sound pretty condescending right here. But it is cool, I know your type. You can't think up responses to an argument so you laugh it off as if the person is wrong while offering no explanation or good counter arguments.

At the point when someones says Katarina, Pantheon, and Teemo are acceptable substitutes for having a tank on their team they have lost all credibility anyways, so it doesn't really matter in the end.

If you are getting those types of scores with AP Leona your enemies are seriously terrible, and should be ashamed of themselves. But hey, whatever works at your level of play.

Teemo is proper fun building as a tank, since mostly the AD carries focus you and you have blinding darts and shrooms to kite them around while their team follows with your team slaughtering them on the way. he isnt a real tank ofcourse but can be build quite tanky (know a troll post when you see one kkthnx).


obviously you havent seen an AD kata with 2 warmogs sunfire cape force a nature, banshee's and atma's. it takes along time till you kill her and in the mean time you focus her because if the damage she puts out, your team dies of her ultimate and her team ^^ thus making this quite interesting.

pantheon is pretty amazing, good initiate + stun. his passive + stun's passive makes his defense pretty good with an defensive build and defensive items.
although i prefer him as damage, like most people do, i do quite enjoy tanky pantheon from time to time (ever tried it? doubt it.)

my enemies weren't bad. actually quite decent as our team was losing, but the AoE stun and burst damage was too high for them to handle, doubt anyone in their shoes wouldve done a better job.

i am certainly not "laughing off" your opinion about how to play a champion.

i am merely proving you wrong. if leona has such horrible AP ratios(is true but damage is still retarded) and shouldn't be played AP, how come i can still quadra kill an enemy team, which weren't even bad players really, and get such scores?


imho, it's all a matter of opinion to be honest and how you like to play.

 

[Carmine]

have YOU ever actually played AD Sion?

you have more movement speed then 95% of all champions so there is no problem getting close. his AD is high enough to 3-5 shot tanks and his stun ability just makes it easier. you can easily get over 300 AD with only half the items.
who to pick? AD sion, jarvan, Yi or Xin Zhao....

that all depends on your personal preferences. they are all viable.

Why yes, I have.

315 base movement speed is below average for a melee dps, and not, as you say: faster than 95% of champions.

His AD is not high enough at all to 3-5 shot tanks. At level six if he is maxing enrage first he still only has 120 attack damage. By comparison, a Maokai with no runes or items still has 953 HP and 42 armor. If you are killing tanks in five attacks they are doing something wrong.

Who to pick? Well, if I know one thing, I do know that Jarvan is getting constant nerfs and is still picked at a high level, Xin Zhao is consistently picked, Yi is a viable jungler, and I have never seen a single AD Sion on any high level stream or tournament.

that the the theory. fact is that most of the time you either don't need to or can't do it all due to the fact that either they can get passed you or your team nukes hard etc etc.

also, i can do those same things with Xin Zhao with 2/3 items. it all depends on team play and team composition.

there is a reason Leona's abilities stack from AP, maybe cuz of the fact that they give you the opportunity to go AP????? (else they mightve just deleted that and just give her base damage a huge boost eveytime you upgrade something so you can stick to buying tanking and support items)

atm there is no such thing as a full tank champion. even though they want one, thus creating leona, there still isn't one. they can all be played AP or AD and be viable.

If the enemy is getting past you as a tank, you aren't playing right. All teams need the ability to initiate and the ability to peel attackers off their carries. If you don't have that on your team you are going to be at a massive disadvantage.

No, you can't do those same things with Xin Zhao. Perhaps release week Xin Zhao, but these days Xin Zhao is very squishy, and needs to build damage items. If you try to initiate against a competent team you will be stunned, exhausted, and blown up.

Yes, there is a reason Leona has AP ratios, this is because every single character has abilities that scale with something. No character has no scaling abilities, but just because a character can scale with a stat doesn't make it a good idea to buy that stat. You don't see many Amumus going AP, do you? Well he has better AP ratios than Leona.

No, you are wrong. There are full tank champions, and playing them as anything else is the wrong way to do it. Shen is not viable built anything but as a tank, neither is Rammus. Malphite is only built as a tank.

Please, stop exaggerating so much.

Teemo is proper fun building as a tank, since mostly the AD carries focus you and you have blinding darts and shrooms to kite them around while their team follows with your team slaughtering them on the way. he isnt a real tank ofcourse but can be build quite tanky (know a troll post when you see one kkthnx).


obviously you havent seen an AD kata with 2 warmogs sunfire cape force a nature, banshee's and atma's. it takes along time till you kill her and in the mean time you focus her because if the damage she puts out, your team dies of her ultimate and her team ^^ thus making this quite interesting.

pantheon is pretty amazing, good initiate + stun. his passive + stun's passive makes his defense pretty good with an defensive build and defensive items.
although i prefer him as damage, like most people do, i do quite enjoy tanky pantheon from time to time (ever tried it? doubt it.)

That may be, but none of these characters are actually viable built as a tank. A team has absolutely no reason to focus a Teemo when he is doing no damage. Yes, obviously I have never seen a Katarina build that, considering you would need 16,290 gold for that build, which, may I note does not include any boots. This build would also only give her 220 attack damage. Hardly damage to run from. Crit and mana are also wasted stats on Katarina. Pantheon built as a tank? No, of course I haven't tried it, I don't want to ruin my teams game, once again, if he is built as a tank the enemy team has absolutely no reason to focus him, he will do no damage, his stun is almost on a ten second cooldown, his ultimate is terrible for initiating past the laning phase.

my enemies weren't bad. actually quite decent as our team was losing, but the AoE stun and burst damage was too high for them to handle, doubt anyone in their shoes wouldve done a better job.

i am certainly not "laughing off" your opinion about how to play a champion.

i am merely proving you wrong. if leona has such horrible AP ratios(is true but damage is still retarded) and shouldn't be played AP, how come i can still quadra kill an enemy team, which weren't even bad players really, and get such scores?


imho, it's all a matter of opinion to be honest and how you like to play.

If Leona's of all characters burst damage was too high for them to handle, I would hate to see them play against a Brand, Annie, or Malzahar.

How can you quadra kill the enemy as AP Leona? They didn't know how to play against a new champion, and were simply bad. The only way someone with such horrible AP ratios could do so well is if they made a multitude of bad decisions and mistakes.

It isn't a matter of opinion. You don't build AP Rammus because it is terrible, likewise, you shouldn't build AP Leona.

 

[SpaceCore]

still stays a matter of opinion and play style.

as for the champions, it all depends on how well you play together, what your team composition is, and how well they can play aswell.

(yes it is a matter of opinion, due to the fact that Leona is viable as AP. and yes i CAN actually do that with xin, hence the fact i've done it for the last couple of months, the burst on him as a tank build is still high and with a decent team setup there is no way they will make it. atleast not against me and the people i normally play with.)

 

[Carmine]

still stays a matter of opinion and play style.

as for the champions, it all depends on how well you play together, what your team composition is, and how well they can play aswell.

(yes it is a matter of opinion, due to the fact that Leona is viable as AP. and yes i CAN actually do that with xin, hence the fact i've done it for the last couple of months, the burst on him as a tank build is still high and with a decent team setup there is no way they will make it. atleast not against me and the people i normally play with.)

Can you prove that AP Leona is viable?

Are you level 30?

What is your ranked ELO?

Are you unranked, if so can you get proof of AP Leona being successful in a high level of play?

Were these games normal? Were you playing with a team? Were any of the team members below level 30?

You can't make a bold sweeping statement like AP Leona is viable without evidence to back it up. Anecdotes won't make me believe that she is viable. Offer some proof of AP Leona being viable within a level of play where everyone knows what they are doing (about 1600 ELO or above) and I will back down.

 

[Fireskull]

Ok so...my opinion of Leona is that she is average, or slightly underpowered. She definitely will not be doing too much damage but nonetheless you can build her AP/tank or straight tank with both remaining viable. In my opinion.

My two cents.

 

[SpaceCore]

it was a 5v5, premade custom game. me and a bunch of friends wanted to play together, as they mostly do 5v5 premade together and my team are mostly que'ing together aswell.

their ELO scales between 1400-1800, our team about the same.

my ELO is 1555 (solo 5v5).

i don't see any evidence that AP Leona isn't viable.

 

[Aneruen]

While I do enjoy strange builds for a lot of champions, Leona simply doesn't have the ratios or ability set to be built full AP. Sure, you could throw in some AP items in a tank build, but going for a caster setup is just hurting your team in the end.

 

[SpaceCore]

While I do enjoy strange builds for a lot of champions, Leona simply doesn't have the ratios or ability set to be built full AP. Sure, you could throw in some AP items in a tank build, but going for a caster setup is just hurting your team in the end.

which depends on your team setup and how they play.

i usually have a tank and off tank in my team so it doesn't really matter.

 

[Carmine]

The base of it all is Leona is a horrible AP character. You can play her as a mage and get your close combat CC with horrible AP ratios, or you can play an actual mage like Anivia, get more damage out of your AP, be safer while nuking, have shorter cooldowns and more consistent damage, and have more utility. You are gimping yourself if you are playing Leona as an AP character.

On the subject of Leona as a tank? Super tanky, but she has no 1v1 capabilities or farming at all. If I could pick buffs for her it would be an increase on W's base damage so she can clear waves with it and her E, and a 1v1 component to her passive. If she is still underpowered after that I would look towards making her cooldowns shorter and making her ultimate's stun and slow radii bigger.

 

[SpaceCore]

On the subject of Leona as a tank? Super tanky, but she has no 1v1 capabilities or farming at all. If I could pick buffs for her it would be an increase on W's base damage so she can clear waves with it and her E, and a 1v1 component to her passive. If she is still underpowered after that I would look towards making her cooldowns shorter and making her ultimate's stun and slow radii bigger.

true.

 

[Lava]

To make someone viable they have to par with the top characters made for the role. AP Leona? Not so much. AD Sion? Yes a fun build to use but viable? No.

They both only shine if fed to an extreme amount or farmed extremely well.

Leona is much better as a tank roll, but then again, why pick Leona over Jarvan or Amumu.

 

[Adam]

All I can tell you is, all the Leonas I've come against have been trash. 6300 IP to be terrible? YEAH!

 

[Trace]

Leona is a good tank that doesn't fit in the current meta. Wait for the meta to change and she could well be viable.

~1740 elo opinion :3