Issues with team imbalancing

[Krod Mandoon]

First of all I will not use any names this is purely something that I felt was incredibly wrong. This is not about eGO players stacking on one side.

Earlier today in normal mixed, me and some other people were playing and then after a few rounds one team had been winning a lot, then a eGO member joins when a slot opens up on my team that had been losing a lot and almost immediately switches to the team that was winning even though the teams were balanced, then another eGO member joins my losing team and almost immediately joins the winning team. This would not be a problem but the next two rounds on cold war rush were completely and utterly favored towards this team that had been winning, they rolled through every objective in less than 10 minutes and then when we attacked we didn't even make it down the hill. This is not a huge problem but also not the issue, it just causes the issue.

The next map is oasis rush and about half my team quits leaving the teams 16v9. So I asked if anyone wanted to hop over to balance the teams before more people left. No one did, not even the 3 eGO members on the other side. So I wait a few minutes and then ask if any of the eGO members would like to switch to balance the teams, again no response or any switches. So I wait and sure enough people started leaving on the other side which ended being half a full server leaving in the end. It eventually filled back up, but my point is that at least two of the eGO members know our policy to switch over when teams are 16v9, me and the other eGO guys on our team clearly did. Lastly, which really disgusted me is that a few minutes after half the server emptied one of the eGO members on the other side actually mocked me about the teams being imbalanced. This was entirely childish and just plain silly to say given the situation.

I don't mean to cause drama if there is, this is just a heads up to people on how not to act in front of pubs. Thanks for reading all that text if you did, if you didn't then you should and think on it.

 

[Leftenent]

Krod,

You make a good point. Our servers exist for all to have fun, both pubs and eGO members alike. If we are creating an atmosphere that prevents people from enjoying our server, then there's a problem.

I'm not going to go on a witchhunt and ask you to give me names. Those members who were acting, in your words, "silly" hopefully will read this, and realize how unbecoming their behavior was, and how it reflects poorly on the edgegamers name, who we are, and what we stand for by being a member of edgegamers.

I cannot, and will not, force you not to play with your friends. That ruins your fun. However, I ask you all to consider that to play amongst your friends does not necessarily mean you have to be on the same team, or in the same squad with your friends. Sometimes, it's just as fun (if not more) to frag your friends, and in that spirit of friendship heckle him or her for that awesome smoke-nade to the head, or +462 headshot.

Remember: we are here to have fun, to make friends, and to relax. It's a game. The pubs who come to our server are coming for the same reason. As hosts, it's our role to give this to them.

 

[Diezel]

Sometimes, it's just as fun (if not more) to frag your friends, and in that spirit of friendship heckle him or her for that awesome smoke-nade to the head, or +462 headshot.

Best part of having friend right there :lol:

 

[LilShortstuf]

Very well said Krod and Left. I'm just gonna add another piece of info to this thread as a reminder for all our Gs and Os and a heads up for our e's.

Team/Clan Stacking - Is strictly against eGO rules and conduct, just as with all eGO games, keep admins and players evenly balanced between the teams. The servers do have auto balance enabled but do show initiative when teams become unbalanced, pubbers will recognize us for this and keep coming back.

This is in the BC2 Admin 101. While we can't force you to switch over it shows huge initiative if you do. Also if the pubs see it then they will be much happier to come back knowing that our admins care for balanced teams. Happy pubs and happy members keep our servers full not just a group of happy members.

 

[Kirotan]

I would encourage more people to try out playing against fellow eGO members. It's a lot of fun. A lot of the time I purposely join the losing team because I want to raise my skill level. Playing against a stacked team will really put your head on a swivel. Surprisingly, most of my Ace pins come from playing against better teams; either they're not used to competition, or they're so focused on target practice in the spawn you can kill a whole squad before they realize they've been flanked.

This reminds me of another question: Is there a force command option available? I understand that it could be abused horribly (and it is on many servers), but I think we could use it responsibly. (You can only use it on yourself unless someone requests a switch, and only if you or they aren't trying to join a stacked team).

 

[Believer]

As someone who's been a constant victim to this in other divisions, I completely understand where you're coming from. I join to play the game - if one of my homies is on my team, cool beans, but if not....cool beans.

 

[Kerak]

I clearly understood Krod's, Left's and Lil's point in this thread. I hope others got the message too.

 

[iEye Captain]

I didn't know what the button was to switch teams until last week. I'm not kidding.

I agree with Krod. The most fun I ever had are in games where the teams are balanced. I hate games where the final score is 420-0. And I've been on both ends of those games.

Admins should have a larger responsibility to switch teams if they are stacked.

Although for me personally, I'd switch to the winning side, just to give the losing side a chance! :w00t:

 

[Facey]

Well if ya don't know what button it is to switch teams..... its the ENTER button .....

 

[Hendu]

I need to give props to AngryPanda for yesterday's show of balance when he joined my losing team partially due to the 2 AFK eGO members. It was like 2v5 after you account for our 2 AFKs. So, this one's for you Panda. :thumbup1:

 

[P3N]

And P3N prays for more admin tools in BF3. Amen!

 

[druidsd]

All I pray for is to be on the opposite team from P3N, I need some easy kills.

 

[P3N]

All I pray for is to be on the opposite team from P3N, I need some easy kills.

Yeah sure!

 

[Krod Mandoon]

All I pray for is to be on the opposite team from P3N, I need some easy kills.

and i need to defib his head more

 

[LilShortstuf]

And P3N prays for more admin tools in BF3. Amen!

Even if we had the ability to move people from team to team we wouldn't be allowed to use it to move people to balance teams. That's the job of the auto balancer and also the goodwill of the players.

 

[Pyro.Tek.Neks]

Yeah, I've seen this happen, but most of the eGO members I see playing usually does a great job in keeping it balanced.

 

[TheAngryPanda]

The problem with AB'ing teams or a shuffle command (which does exist and has been tested I'd imagine) is that there's no real way to truely balance a team this way. You will end up with tons of snipers on one team, you will end up with all the top 10 people on a single team, and you most definitely will end up on the receiving end of a pain train at some point. At that point, you're likely to think "hey this shuffle system blows, i hate it!" Well, that's basically what I'd imagine most people think of it and why it's not in use.

If our community can't even teams in a timely manner and at the request of other members then there's a much bigger problem than just a team imbalance, which is what I think Krod is getting at. We're all here to have fun and keep things in a fun setting, this statement happens to include the opposing team as well as yours.

Hopefully once BF3 is released, there will be some sort of determining factor used to at least give a rough estimate of a player's capabilities as they develop over time and maybe that can be used to AB a team to some extent, but I highly doubt it.

 

[iEye Captain]

Hopefully once BF3 is released, there will be some sort of determining factor used to at least give a rough estimate of a player's capabilities as they develop over time and maybe that can be used to AB a team to some extent, but I highly doubt it.

How about a auto-balance based on player rank?

(I'm not saying eGO servers should have this, so don't tell me to "dropbox it")

 

[TheAngryPanda]

Basing it upon rank would mean that rank would have to be more difficult to obtain. I could sit in a match AFK infinitely and gain "xp" towards rank ups and do nothing to help a team to reach 50 using the current system. I could also medic-spam boxes with kit choices to advance that ranking up.

This would mean that if we had a 50 that was good, a 50 that was terrible and then a 30 and 40 that were just there. The system would AB each team with a 50, each having one of the other 2 and would end up being good vs terrible based upon the 50's rank. There would also be an issue when it came to AB'ing between multiple 50's or a server full of rank 50's (which really isn't too uncommon in some servers). These two reasons generally nullify the ability to base an AB system upon rank, sadly.

I think it has actually been DB'd before to leadership, but I think it was rejected on the principle that it just didn't work out during a testing phase. I'm not sure if this is accurate info or not, but I seem to recall hearing something about it being looked at and tested before from a loooooooong time ago when we had a less than pleasant AB system.

This is all just my opinion on why it wouldn't work, take it however you wish.

 

[Partizan*]

just my 2 cents to add to this discussion. A while back b4 I joined, I complained to an admin to balance the team and so he banned me for a day. Nothing ever happened to him because of that and that really made me think twice before joining. I was po'd!