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spec. PA law.. rental by verbal agreement. my family and I are in a sale by owner dilema. do we have the ability to have 30 days to move after sale agreement?

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Just to clarify what you're asking Silent (and I wish you the best of luck in this)

Do you mean do you have up to 30 days to move after the sale agreement taken place? Or can you move in after 30 days have elapsed from the sale agreement being finalized?

Plus, I find it interesting to read up on that verbal agreements are allowed in Pennsylvania (did not know that). So far from what I've read (and this is coming from a non-lawyer), renters' rights in a verbal agreement (or oral contract) involved in a housing agreement that's greater than 1 year, allow up to 30 days for a tenant to vacate the premises when a property is sold, or not in compliance with contractual agreement. If housing agreement is under 1 year, renters' rights allow only up to 15 days. Trying to figure out if the 15/30 days is upon the finalization of the contract, or upon written notice from the owner to the tenant.
 
we are co-residing with a woman and her 4 children. we've been here for well over a year now. she just recently put her home on the market. not to get too involved in the manerisms of this woman... we want out of here soon, she's a stab-u-in-the-back and smile type. however, I am a disabled Vet, I get a VA disability benefit payed to me once a month, and pay the home owner $600/month plus food. my wife is on unemployment but actively looking for work aswell as going to school.

what Im trying to find out for a fact is how much time we have to vacate once the sale is final.

from what I have read so far.. she must serve us a written notice, "to quit". this is something I doubt she would do as she wants that money and food. anyway, once written notification is served, we would have 30 days to vacate, or "quit" the residence. Is that correct from what you have seen? now, if this goes to date of sale,.. we would still have 30 days to leave, correct?

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2 years ago this March.. I basically fell apart. I was finally diagnosed as having PTSD from a Military deployment. Then I was gifted by learning Im also Bi-Polar, OCD, and agorophobic. top this all off with an alcohol problem and.. its a plate full of daily hell. Anyway.. in and out of the VA hospital for up to 6 weeks a stay.. trying to get my mood stable and my meds working. I left my job, my wife lost hers caring for me :( .... we were evicted... and basically homeless, and I was still bouncing in and out of the hospital. having no place to go, my family moved in here while I was inpatient.

that is 2 years in a nutshell...no pun intended.
 
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From all the research I was able to find, it's 30 days from a written notice in the state of Pennsylvania (and the rest of the US, except under certain circumstances, which does not apply here). If property was sold, it's up to the owner to inform the new owner of the contract that is in place, verbal or written, to the new owner. This is where it gets hazy. I haven't seen anything that says that the new owner cannot force you to move out, but at the same time, I can't find anything to say that the new owner is allowed to. This is the only sticky part that I've been unable to figure out exactly.

Safe to say, you're given 30 days to vacate upon written notice, and once a sale occurs, I'd be cautious and say 15 days, but again, I've yet to find the exact precedent that deals with your situation. Would it be possible to consult a lawyer in PA, or ask for some initial advice?
 
Not a valid website, but it does provide some good info:
http://www.rentlaw.com/eviction/paeviction.htm

For a Landlord to evict you in Pennsylvania:
They must go to court, which usually involves these important steps:
1. Written notice. Unless your lease says otherwise, your landlord must give you a written notice before filing an eviction case against you. The notice tells you when the landlord wants you to move. The amount of time the eviction notice gives you to move depends on the length of your lease and the reason you are being asked to move. If you are being evicted because you did not pay rent, your landlord must give you a written notice at least 10 days before filing an eviction case.

If you are being asked to move for any reason other than nonpayment of rent, your landlord must give you a written notice

15 days before filing an eviction case, if your lease is for one year or less; or

30 days before filing an eviction case, if your lease is for more than one year.

Your lease can provide for a longer or shorter notice, or no notice at all.

If you have not moved out by the date stated on the eviction notice your landlord gave you, your landlord cannot just throw you out. He or she must still file a landlord/tenant complaint and go to court, as described below.

2. Court hearings. The eviction hearing will usually be before a Magisterial District Justice. Your landlord cannot just move you out, lock you out or take your personal property on his or her own. You have the right to appear at the hearing before the Magisterial District Justice with any witnesses or other evidence you have. Since eviction cases move quickly, it is a good idea to get legal advice before your eviction hearing. The landlord must appear at the hearing and present testimony as to why you should be evicted. If the landlord fails to appear, you should ask that the case be dismissed.

3. Appeal. If you lose at this hearing but have a good defense, you have only 10 days to appeal to a higher court. To stay in your home during the appeal,

You must pay into court when you file the appeal either the amount of rent in the judgment or 3 months rent, whichever is less; and

If the Magisterial District Justice decided that you owed back rent, you must pay that amount into court, or post a bond for that amount, when you file the appeal. (You only have to pay three months of back rent into court, however, even if you owe more.)

If you want to appeal, you should get legal advice immediately after the hearing. If you do not appeal, you can be evicted by a constable or sheriff in as little as 22 days after the hearing before the Magisterial District Justice.
 
things they are a change'in.. working on getting pre-approved for a VA Mortgage, that is in the works now.

my M-I-L was taking care of an elderly man, as a live in Home Care. he passed away this morning. the owner knows that before the house can be sold, there is alot of work that needs done. it was brought to his attention that I can do 90% of the work needed done. in return, we stay rent free till the work is done so we can bank up some $.

we'll see where this road takes us soon enough.
 
Snipeye said:
From all the research I was able to find, it's 30 days from a written notice in the state of Pennsylvania (and the rest of the US, except under certain circumstances, which does not apply here). If property was sold, it's up to the owner to inform the new owner of the contract that is in place, verbal or written, to the new owner. This is where it gets hazy. I haven't seen anything that says that the new owner cannot force you to move out, but at the same time, I can't find anything to say that the new owner is allowed to. This is the only sticky part that I've been unable to figure out exactly.

Safe to say, you're given 30 days to vacate upon written notice, and once a sale occurs, I'd be cautious and say 15 days, but again, I've yet to find the exact precedent that deals with your situation. Would it be possible to consult a lawyer in PA, or ask for some initial advice?
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Your too helpful bro

we'll see where this road takes us soon enough.[/QUOTE]
i hope for the best for u
 
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