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I'm thinking of getting a new rig and i need some input. I have two choices below let me know what you think. (I like build #1)

Build #1

MOTHERBOARD:* [CrossFireX/SLI] GigaByte GA-990FXA-UD3 AMD 990FX Socket AM3+ ATX Mainboard w/ Ultra Durable? 3, Dual Bios, On/Off USB Charge & 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB 3.0, SATA-III RAID, 4 Gen2 PCIe X16, 2 PCIe X1 & 1 PCI

CPU:AMD FX-4170 4.20 GHz Quad-Core AM3+ CPU 4MB L2 Cache & Turbo Core Technology

FAN:Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA)

VIDEO:AMD Radeon HD 7770 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card

HDD:2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD

MEMORY:16GB (4GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Vengeance)

POWERSUPPLY:700 Watts - Standard Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready

OS:Microsoft? Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)

CAS:CoolerMaster HAF 912 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Adjustable HDD Cage

CD:24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive

PRICE: $1,090.00





Build #2


MOTHERBOARD:* [CrossFireX/SLI] GigaByte GA-990FXA-UD3 AMD 990FX Socket AM3+ ATX Mainboard w/ Ultra Durable? 3, Dual Bios, On/Off USB Charge & 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB 3.0, SATA-III RAID, 4 Gen2 PCIe X16, 2 PCIe X1 & 1 PCI

CPU:AMD FX-6100 3.30 GHz Six-Core AM3+ CPU 6MB L2 Cache & Turbo Core Technology

FAN:Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA)

VIDEO:AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card

HDD:1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD

MEMORY:16GB (4GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Vengeance)

POWERSUPPLY:700 Watts - Standard Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready

OS:Microsoft? Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)

CAS:CoolerMaster HAF 912 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Adjustable HDD Cage

CD:2 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive


Price: $1,071.00
 
Looking at the choices if you want a better gaming performance my opinion is go with the second one looking at the differing video cards. Personally I don't need over 1TB but your story could be different.

If you want to close the price gap you could always bump your CPU up to an FX-6200 which is what I have and I'm liking it. :)
 
I assume what we have here are prebuilt systems? The second one has the better vid card and cpu so that would be my recommendation. However, you obviously cut 1tb of storage (and hdd prices are higher than normal due to floods). Beyond that, they look to be the same. However, if you can build it yourself which is fairly easy to do and there are a number of guides online (even on this forum) as well as videos on youtube. That would be your best bet and allow you to get even more money out of your budget. Here is an example build I just put together:

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You are getting a much better cpu and video card (about 50% faster than a 6850 depending on game). You are getting 16gb of ram again (though I don't know if you actually need this much as 8gb is plenty for general gaming usage). You also have a 2tb 7200 hdd. The power supply is only 550w, but it is a quality unit, not some generic psu from a builder that is usually junk. I left out the liquid cooling unit in favor of a cheaper air solution that should yield similar performance at a cheaper cost. Obviously if you really wanted the other unit, you could do that instead.

This is just to give you an idea of what you can get for the same money building yourself. However, if you were to go this route, waiting a couple months if possible would allow new cpus and gpus to be released which should bring prices down and possibly change recommendations.
 
I'm your huckleberry said:
The power supply is only 550w, but it is a quality unit, not some generic psu from a builder that is usually junk..
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I would personally go for a more powerful PSU, maybe 700-900W.
Would give enough power for the current system aswell as future upgrades.
My PSU has outlived 1 complete rebuild and 2-3 upgrades and still goes on after 4 years of gaming, so a good PSU will be a good long-time investment.
 
zetas said:
I would personally go for a more powerful PSU, maybe 700-900W.
Would give enough power for the current system aswell as future upgrades.
My PSU has outlived 1 complete rebuild and 2-3 upgrades and still goes on after 4 years of gaming, so a good PSU will be a good long-time investment.
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The wattage of a PSU has nothing to do with its quality though.

@the OP: Huckleberry has a fantastic build, but it looks like you got yours from iBuyPower or Cyberpower. Where and how are you buying (i.e. what website, are you building it yourself, etc.)?
 
Huck's build is astoundingly good. It's hard to believe you can fit all that in $1.1k. Please note that AMD's FX line isn't really powerful enough to push video games right now. In games that are CPU demanding, such as Starcraft or Skyrim, you will see a huge benefit of going Intel. It's just the matter of fact right now.

Also, I can't stand recommending the Hyper 212+ right now. If you can find $10 I strongly encourage you to get a [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-100700529-True-Spirit-120/dp/B005MSOH7C"]True Spirit 120[/ame]. It just performs at an entirely higher level than the 212+.
 
zetas said:
I would personally go for a more powerful PSU, maybe 700-900W.
Would give enough power for the current system aswell as future upgrades.
My PSU has outlived 1 complete rebuild and 2-3 upgrades and still goes on after 4 years of gaming, so a good PSU will be a good long-time investment.
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The cheap 700W that comes with the ibuypower one can probably only output the equivalent of a quality 550W unit like the one I listed. More is not always better. Furthermore, these 7850s have ridiculously low power usage given the performance they output, so this unit would be good for a 2500k (even lower if he can wait for ivy) as well as dual 7850s.

As for the more expensive cpu cooler, not many reviews on that particular unit, though I doubt it performs that much better than the 212. Only one review I have found, but it is not exactly trustworthy given 212 outperforms even an nh-d14:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermalright-True-Spirit-120-CPU-Cooler-Review/1420/6

Where have you seen the performance as being extraordinary apr?
 
I wouldn't trust that review. Something about that spread doesn't look right. The Antec 920 at 31, Evo at 36, and NH-D14 at 39? Seems fishy. I think they're measuring Delta T's which is nice, but something doesn't feel right. I wonder if they're using a low-powered chip where the spread won't be as significant.

This review compares the TS140 against a nice list. Here the 212+ does pretty pathetically. I would wager the Cogage True Spirit is about on par with the Thermalright's TS120, while the TS140 is almost as good as the Archon.

[H] did a review on both, though there isn't a comparison to the 212+. The TS120 outperforms the Cogage equivalent here and matches the H80 on Low speed. The TS140 is downright amazing here. At $50 shipped, there is no better deal for the price point. The Hyper 612 is a nice alternative at about $45, if you have the room for it. I'm just glad there aren't any EVO recommendations, because it is exactly the same as a 212+ performance-wise but $10 more.
 
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Err...I am not going to trust that review either given it has the 212+ worse than the 980x oem. I somehow strongly doubt that is the case. Beyond that, I doubt the OP is going for max overclock given the initial ibuypower options. Thus, 1 or 2 degrees probably isn't a huge deal and worth $15.

All of these reviews will have some spread. However, the 212+ is almost universally considered the best price/performance cooler.
 
Universally considered, yeah, but the TS120/140 are very new and people still have their panties in a bunch about the 212+. The TS120 is $30 before shipping and outperforms the 620 and H60. It's only a matter of availability before people wake up to the fact that this is better than the 212+.
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/LGA-2011-i7-3960X-Air-Overclocking,3130-17.html

Look at this review. Interesting, the Archon does worse than the 212, but it does better than the TS120 in the hardocp review in both stock and oc performance.

For $35, maybe it is worth it (though again, that is debatable without an actual good review), but for $43 as it has been since you posted that link, I would stick with the 212+.
 
I know for a fact the Archon is better than the 212+, you can ask Pho he has one. It gets consistently marked as 2-3C behind the Silver Arrow.

And that $43 is with shipping. Once it becomes more widely available that ought to drop a lot. It's very strange that newegg doesn't carry Thermalright products anymore.
 
I hope you see my point. You found one review that has the ts120 as doing amazing and one where the 212 did worse than an oem intel one...
 
Hi guys, I got the info from cyberpower runo it's where i got the one i have now back in 2005. I'm in no hurry to buy so waiting for the Ivy sounds like a good idea. Since i have been gaming i have always had a AMD cpu so i don't know anything about the intel ones. As far as the liquid cooler it's a free upgrade at cyberpower.
Hey I'm your huckleberry, can you post your build again it shows it was moved or deleted or you can pm me with it. thanks
 
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Intel currently has an easy lead over amd for best cpus. As far as buying through cyberpower, my suggestion and most peoples will be to buy the components yourself individually from newegg, amazon, ncix, etc. and simply assemble it yourself. You can definitely save some money (or invest it into better components as I did with the build I put together for you).
 
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