Admin Integrity

[Socretez]

I disappear for two days....

 

[Severend]

Though I don't think I was one of the 4 admins if I was I apologize for not taking action. I recently just got back in to BF been playing other games and dealing with life so I may not be as observant as I used to be. If you ever need the admin let me know, even when I'm at work I normally keep battlelog open so feel free to hit me up there. I will probably start going idle in vent again when at work so feel free to get a hold of me there also.

BTW Cookies

 

[KyleLucky]

I know that eGO says to play, then admin, speaking from years of experience, I can't do that...lol. I take my admin duties seriously, it is how I was trained to begin with, and I have stuck with it. Though I can't help on the BF3 servers just yet, I do know how you feel.

lol cookies.

I totally agree. I always find myself more concerned with everyone else's experience. I've always did that in any of the other games(non ego, years ago) I would admin in. Goes with my personality too. I just want everyone to have fun. I work full time and come home like a lot of us, and this is our escape. But I don't mind being like that. But yeah, totally agree with Bee and Kosh. I see yall, I'm no dummy.

 

[redhat]

Cookie for me plz?

I've noticed this as well somewhat, I do understand admins can't see everything, but I feel like some admins are being a tad bit lazy sometimes.

Good thread. Reminders for admins never hurt.

 

[Koshachey]

I just want everyone to have fun. I work full time and come home like a lot of us, and this is our escape. But I don't mind being like that.

That's sort of where I'm at. I don't want to spend my off-hours listening to a bunch of stupid kids be disrespectful to their teams, their enemies and worst of all our own organization.

Casual swearing is one thing, but seriously how hard is it to follow a simple rule?

I've found that eGO's server rules weed out a lot of the dumb kids (and adults, I'm sure) who are incapable of being a civilized person.

 

[AoiMaiden]

Cookie plz.

This stuff is exactly why I left. Rules are only enforced for members, specifically the members the admin doesn't like, and even then, it's only 10% of the time, between 8 and 12 eastern to be specific. And only in chat, if you're on vent (rated r or not) feel free to swear and spam Rick Astley all you want. Some of the people are cool, but I'm sure some of the Nazis were cool too XD

 

[Saltychipmunk]

I did notice that some of our servers were exceptionally lax in this regard.
Unfortunately i have yet to take the admin class for the bf division.(i just came from tf2)

I rarely play on our servers as is so the class has kind of slipped my mind.
(not a huge fan of our game mode / map selection)

but if things are as bad as you suggest they are , I will find the time to rectify this

 

[Koshachey]

but if things are as bad as you suggest they are , I will find the time to rectify this

They're not terrible. There are just certain times when it's like... COME ON!

 

[PBJ]

With my O, I can do a little more and take care of a little more now. If you need any bans (or kicks still, I didn't lose that power), find me.

 

[axeman22222]

I did notice that some of our servers were exceptionally lax in this regard.
Unfortunately i have yet to take the admin class for the bf division.(i just came from tf2)

I rarely play on our servers as is so the class has kind of slipped my mind.
(not a huge fan of our game mode / map selection)

but if things are as bad as you suggest they are , I will find the time to rectify this

Salty I personally never see you on but what game modes do you like?

 

[Saltychipmunk]

Salty I personally never see you on but what game modes do you like?

that is an excellent question.

I actually have very plain tastes.
I refuse to play maps that contain jets, this is because one moderatly skilled player with the right perks is nearly unkillable by anything other than other jets
and the whole affair of trying to kill one is too taxing and unfun.

plus the maps based around them are complete and utter balls. (Caspian border is a rare exception due to all of its trees which can be used as cover).

I refuse to play hardcore maps that have a minimap enabled , for the obvious reason that it makes it too damn easy for people in tanks to completely dominate spawns by spraying explosive rounds all of over god creation.

finally i refuse to play metro with a player count above 32 and the map is not designed for more than 24 people on any game mode.


unfortunately , we seem to run hardcore maps with tanks spawn murdering galor as well as a popular but still mindless and tasteless 64 man conquest 24/7 metro server. (i really cannot stand to play on either the metro or the hardcore server for more than 1 round or 20 min). like pulling teeth with wire cutters..


Alas because of this i tend to hang out on a servers running city maps that don't have vehicles dominating the map. Or i play some tdm on the maps that are actually good for tdm and not a lame building camp fest (metro and gulf of oman).

but then again those are my tastes , its unfortunate but that is life.

 

[ShawnJ]

Used to admin in TF2 then eventually i got pretty bored of being more or less the only admin in 99% pub filled server. pausing your game just to admin does take the fun away sometimes. and granted it's BF3...the pub server probably have far more troublemaker here lol

But if there were 4 admins as you say, then there's no excuse to let such things go repetitively.

 

[Leftenent]

Cookies.

Thank you for this post. I wanted to comment about the e's who have spoken about adminning with or without admins in server.

Thank you.

As a lot of people have mentioned, there are a lot of things going on in game, that can distract an admin from chat, if they're not ignoring their duties. My only suggestion is to either utilize vent, or don't be afraid to say in game chat, "Can I have an admin assist me please?"

If you are in a situation where you say that and there are a number of admins in server and you still get no response, notify our leadership immediately. I like to think I can't imagine a scenario where a statement like this from anyone, let alone an e, would be ignored....but I have to admit, I too have seen this downtrend in admin....awareness....shall we say. Those who have been caught at it know my wrath, and some have even posted in this thread.

Left

 

[mad pistol]

Very good thread Koshachey.

The one thing that I hate about BF3's chat system is what is there one moment is gone the next, and we're sort of out of luck once it's gone. Source engine games have the luxury of being able to recall chat quickly and efficiently. We don't. The other issue is that most of the admins are here to play first and admin second. The admining comes into play when we notice things. We don't go on witch hunts looking for trouble. I will be the first to admit that things have slipped through my fingers due to a playing spree where I'm doing very well and completely into the game. It happens from time to time. I do my best to keep an eye on chat, but none of us can admin what we don't notice. If I notice it, though, I'll be the first to speak up and the first to resolve the issue.

I have noticed something in our servers. It seems to me that people usually KNOW the rules, but they simply choose not to follow them. How do I know this? As an example, you have someone using foul language, I warn them. They question if I am admin. I say yes. At that point, one of two things happens: they go back to playing and don't say anything else, or they curse at me again (either out of spite or questioning/pushing their limits). This results in a kick. Usually, that's enough to take care of any additional issues for the next game or so. Sometimes it isn't, but that's what I've noticed when I'm on.

I haven't been on vent lately due to my current job situation, but getting on vent and talking to us is the most direct line of communication between members and admins. It will get our attention immediately and without a doubt. At that point, I don't know of any admin that won't take care of the situation. Sometimes, we just simply do not know that an issue is occurring.

This isn't an excuse for negligence. This is just what I've noticed in servers. As I said, if I see it, I take care of it. If I see something in chat, I will warn for it (or k/b depending on the offense.) If I don't see it though.... again, not an excuse, just sort of a real world look at what admins, especially ones that have been here a while, do while on server.

 

[axeman22222]

that is an excellent question.

I actually have very plain tastes.
I refuse to play maps that contain jets, this is because one moderatly skilled player with the right perks is nearly unkillable by anything other than other jets
and the whole affair of trying to kill one is too taxing and unfun.

plus the maps based around them are complete and utter balls. (Caspian border is a rare exception due to all of its trees which can be used as cover).

I refuse to play hardcore maps that have a minimap enabled , for the obvious reason that it makes it too damn easy for people in tanks to completely dominate spawns by spraying explosive rounds all of over god creation.

finally i refuse to play metro with a player count above 32 and the map is not designed for more than 24 people on any game mode.


unfortunately , we seem to run hardcore maps with tanks spawn murdering galor as well as a popular but still mindless and tasteless 64 man conquest 24/7 metro server. (i really cannot stand to play on either the metro or the hardcore server for more than 1 round or 20 min). like pulling teeth with wire cutters..


Alas because of this i tend to hang out on a servers running city maps that don't have vehicles dominating the map. Or i play some tdm on the maps that are actually good for tdm and not a lame building camp fest (metro and gulf of oman).

but then again those are my tastes , its unfortunate but that is life.

Ahhh then you might like our TDM server unless you dont like 64 man for TDM (I think 64 player TDM is boring as hell) but I have to agree with your points HC vehicles are SO easy to destroy a whole team I think we need to make our metro a normal city maps server that would be fun

 

[Hurley_Reyes]

Ahhh then you might like our TDM server unless you dont like 64 man for TDM (I think 64 player TDM is boring as hell) but I have to agree with your points HC vehicles are SO easy to destroy a whole team I think we need to make our metro a normal city maps server that would be fun

64 Man TDM is the best gamemode ever, 64 player LAV Run boring :blush:

 

[Saltychipmunk]

64 man tdm is good only on the maps that can handle it, unfortunately there is only one or two such maps and i hate them anyway.

the fundamental issue i have with our maps is that they either run conflicting game modes.
or have a server population that is way too high for the map. the result in either case is the same.

it becomes a cluster F%%% , it is especially awful in rush where there are so many people on the smaller maps that there are literally walls of explosions in which neither team can get through

 

[Leftenent]

Let's keep this thread on track.

 

[Koshachey]

This issue has come up a lot regarding the chat. I should make something clear: in the night that finally pushed me to writing there was no "fast chat." The stuff that was said was late night and nobody else was talking so it just lingered up there.

That said, I certainly know for myself that I am easy to let slide admins missing something that shot by (I'm sure I certainly miss a few myself, even without admin privs), but there have also been an unfortunate amount of those lingering messages. It's a sort of double-whammy there: Not only is it lingering so there's little excuse not to catch it, it's also lingering so that everyone can see it, including the people who are going to be judging eGO based on our administration.

Not that this is really anything new to say, though it came up enough times I thought as OP I'd post my reflection there.

 

[mad pistol]

This issue has come up a lot regarding the chat. I should make something clear: in the night that finally pushed me to writing there was no "fast chat." The stuff that was said was late night and nobody else was talking so it just lingered up there.

That said, I certainly know for myself that I am easy to let slide admins missing something that shot by (I'm sure I certainly miss a few myself, even without admin privs), but there have also been an unfortunate amount of those lingering messages. It's a sort of double-whammy there: Not only is it lingering so there's little excuse not to catch it, it's also lingering so that everyone can see it, including the people who are going to be judging eGO based on our administration.

Not that this is really anything new to say, though it came up enough times I thought as OP I'd post my reflection there.

Your points are totally valid, and I agree.

However, there are times where I forget to check chat, or forget to set chat so that it doesn't disappear once the message has been written. Unfortunately, we are human, and as great as the training is here, all of us are far from perfect. However, I don't think an eGO admin would ever intentionally just not admin a server. If they do, they need to turn in their tags and return to being just a player as opposed to an admin. That's not supposed to be the norm for any of our servers in any division.