Thoughts on the current Heavy

[CrashRIT]

So I got thinking the other day -- Have you ever considered the heavy to be OP -- If so, has it gotten worse?

My answer is yes and yes, ill make a simple case.

The heavy now has the ability to: Have many varieties of miniguns with various positive effects, can heal fully multiple times per turn (sandvich), can achieve crits (steak), can run faster (GRU)... But the worst..

A heavy can stop a player in his tracks for 5+ seconds... (holiday punch).

I despise what the heavy has become. Anybody else have any opinions?

 

[Nix]

Conditions.

That is all.

Fine. I'll elaborate.

All the miniguns have their weaknesses. Mainly the sniper.

The sandvich needs 5+ secs to heal, so a spy or random enemy could ruin your lunch.

The steak allows only crits for melee, and you cannot switch.

The GRU makes all damage received minicrits.

And you have to hit the back with a holiday punch. Do you know just how hard it is to hit the back of a player with a heavy?

 

[Swamper]

heavys is a jaugernaught slow and a powerhouse spys and snipers and possiably pyros. you need to think of actualy player who use it and people who go heavy becasue they flipped the table and is ragging. for instance me and adam are heavies and we are able to use theese weapons to abilities and learn skills over tiome to avoid are enimies anyone can leanr theese traits on every class. for instance i use stock (or bottkiller) i use sandvich because lower health classes need the healht mor ethne heavy so i have my sle fmy medi kit i also use the running gloves to the front lines and this may cause mini crits on me but tis worth it when u time when u rmeove the gloves and get right at the battle feild witch helps you shave seconds that are precious in payload. you need to learn your class in a way where its a casual walk and ability to run over heavy. for instance u need to always hear everythign around you as a heavy for spy activity. you need to learn at a presice time with snipers to dodge snipers headshots. pyro's always get in the ehavys face personal and movesa around ,always aim off the pyro becaus he will walk into the bullets.im sorry this is long and idgf about grammar this need to be told and people honestly need ot understand it takes skill for heavy and not ot be a rage heavy spamming.look up youtubbes such as shibby or stabby stabby or other mlg players.they found away around peoples class supperior to theres. sort of a pokemon game if u have fire and he has water your uyssaly going to loose inless you know your pokemon enough and has skills to take down such as a normal attack or slowing down a attribute etc. i posted a long time ago how medic and heavys take skill compare dot the regular rage heavys and pocket medics in no rihgt mind is heavys op. the player who plays them who are skilled and well witted are op witch you will never change and should be happy you know them

 

[Swamper]

heavys is a jaugernaught slow and a powerhouse spys and snipers and possiably pyros. you need to think of actualy player who use it and people who go heavy becasue they flipped the table and is ragging. for instance me and adam are heavies and we are able to use theese weapons to abilities and learn skills over tiome to avoid are enimies anyone can leanr theese traits on every class. for instance i use stock (or bottkiller) i use sandvich because lower health classes need the healht mor ethne heavy so i have my sle fmy medi kit i also use the running gloves to the front lines and this may cause mini crits on me but tis worth it when u time when u rmeove the gloves and get right at the battle feild witch helps you shave seconds that are precious in payload. you need to learn your class in a way where its a casual walk and ability to run over heavy. for instance u need to always hear everythign around you as a heavy for spy activity. you need to learn at a presice time with snipers to dodge snipers headshots. pyro's always get in the ehavys face personal and movesa around ,always aim off the pyro becaus he will walk into the bullets.im sorry this is long and idgf about grammar this need to be told and people honestly need ot understand it takes skill for heavy and not ot be a rage heavy spamming.look up youtubbes such as shibby or stabby stabby or other mlg players.they found away around peoples class supperior to theres. sort of a pokemon game if u have fire and he has water your uyssaly going to loose inless you know your pokemon enough and has skills to take down such as a normal attack or slowing down a attribute etc. i posted a long time ago how medic and heavys take skill compare dot the regular rage heavys and pocket medics in no rihgt mind is heavys op. the player who plays them who are skilled and well witted are op witch you will never change and should be happy you know them

i did not honestly tHink i typed that much LOL

 

[Shiznoe]

Pyro is OP

 

[Stryker1]

Heavy is only OP when there are around 3 or 4 heavy's on a team.

 

[Ravkrat]

heavies arnt that bad just gotta jump and kite like crazy (killed some heavies has a scout before)

 

[Nix]

heavys is a jaugernaught slow and a powerhouse spys and snipers and possiably pyros. you need to think of actualy player who use it and people who go heavy becasue they flipped the table and is ragging. for instance me and adam are heavies and we are able to use theese weapons to abilities and learn skills over tiome to avoid are enimies anyone can leanr theese traits on every class. for instance i use stock (or bottkiller) i use sandvich because lower health classes need the healht mor ethne heavy so i have my sle fmy medi kit i also use the running gloves to the front lines and this may cause mini crits on me but tis worth it when u time when u rmeove the gloves and get right at the battle feild witch helps you shave seconds that are precious in payload. you need to learn your class in a way where its a casual walk and ability to run over heavy. for instance u need to always hear everythign around you as a heavy for spy activity. you need to learn at a presice time with snipers to dodge snipers headshots. pyro's always get in the ehavys face personal and movesa around ,always aim off the pyro becaus he will walk into the bullets.im sorry this is long and idgf about grammar this need to be told and people honestly need ot understand it takes skill for heavy and not ot be a rage heavy spamming.look up youtubbes such as shibby or stabby stabby or other mlg players.they found away around peoples class supperior to theres. sort of a pokemon game if u have fire and he has water your uyssaly going to loose inless you know your pokemon enough and has skills to take down such as a normal attack or slowing down a attribute etc. i posted a long time ago how medic and heavys take skill compare dot the regular rage heavys and pocket medics in no rihgt mind is heavys op. the player who plays them who are skilled and well witted are op witch you will never change and should be happy you know them

Ouch, my grammar nerves.

 

[ShinobiSli]

They're really not op. They're easy as crap, I think more deserving of a"noob" title than WM1 pyros, but not op. They're easily countered, and waaaaaay too slow.

 

[xosniper]

heavys is a jaugernaught slow and a powerhouse spys and snipers and possiably pyros. you need to think of actualy player who use it and people who go heavy becasue they flipped the table and is ragging. for instance me and adam are heavies and we are able to use theese weapons to abilities and learn skills over tiome to avoid are enimies anyone can leanr theese traits on every class. for instance i use stock (or bottkiller) i use sandvich because lower health classes need the healht mor ethne heavy so i have my sle fmy medi kit i also use the running gloves to the front lines and this may cause mini crits on me but tis worth it when u time when u rmeove the gloves and get right at the battle feild witch helps you shave seconds that are precious in payload. you need to learn your class in a way where its a casual walk and ability to run over heavy. for instance u need to always hear everythign around you as a heavy for spy activity. you need to learn at a presice time with snipers to dodge snipers headshots. pyro's always get in the ehavys face personal and movesa around ,always aim off the pyro becaus he will walk into the bullets.im sorry this is long and idgf about grammar this need to be told and people honestly need ot understand it takes skill for heavy and not ot be a rage heavy spamming.look up youtubbes such as shibby or stabby stabby or other mlg players.they found away around peoples class supperior to theres. sort of a pokemon game if u have fire and he has water your uyssaly going to loose inless you know your pokemon enough and has skills to take down such as a normal attack or slowing down a attribute etc. i posted a long time ago how medic and heavys take skill compare dot the regular rage heavys and pocket medics in no rihgt mind is heavys op. the player who plays them who are skilled and well witted are op witch you will never change and should be happy you know them

May I suggest a spell/grammar/sentence structure program




oh, and WALL OF TEXT HITS XOSNIPER FOR 43000 HPS!!

 

[RofLCopter]

So I got thinking the other day -- Have you ever considered the heavy to be OP -- If so, has it gotten worse?

My answer is yes and yes, ill make a simple case.

The heavy now has the ability to: Have many varieties of miniguns with various positive effects, can heal fully multiple times per turn (sandvich), can achieve crits (steak), can run faster (GRU)... But the worst..

A heavy can stop a player in his tracks for 5+ seconds... (holiday punch).

I despise what the heavy has become. Anybody else have any opinions?

Not really, it's slow, healing isn't instant, and a sniper can make quick work of a charging heavy in most cases.

Also none of that matters in a 9vs9 or 6vs6 game, even in a normal 12vs12 game with regular respawn it wouldn't really matter.

 

[oey192]

I don't really think the heavy is more OP than other classes like Phlog pyro and Pompson engie…

Also, Jarate and a Bushwacka or Fire and an Axtinguisher can make pretty quick work of a heavy if one knows how to use them.

And of course there's the knife to the back or a bullet to the head…

I personally rage most frequently at spies for being OP, but with the exception of some new weapons (I include Phlog and Pompson in this), none of the classes are actually OP. They just may seem that way if your team doesn't have the right balance of classes to deal with them

 

[Ledzo]

Haha pyro is OP.

 

[CrashRIT]

I agree Backburner hasnt been nerfed as well as it needed to be. Pomson is just a joke yea.

My logic here is that people think of these new items in terms of a)they have positive effects (instant spinup) and b)negative effects (-50 health) -- those are examples. I think of it in terms of those two PLUS c)what edge does it give/take away from other classes.

A few examples:
1)HuoLong- Scouts looove to come up to heavies with scatterguns/poppers etc nd get good damage.. Oh wait.. now theyre on fire...
2)Tomislav- Instant spinup. Any class really loses their edge.

I just think its getting a little crazy (and yes i guess im a little biased to it being the heavy), I havent liked many of the recent weapon changes Valve has done. Thoughts?

 

[Idol]

And you have to hit the back with a holiday punch. Do you know just how hard it is to hit the back of a player with a heavy?

So what you're saying is Valve *could* fix the backstab code...if they wanted to

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Are you related to Dreadmaker by any chance?

 

[Fermonx]

Heavy are only OP when healed by a doctor while having another heavy on his side..

Snipers: can take him easily with a full charged sniper shot and a huntsman hs.

spy can take him fast because he is pretty slow so easy target.

heavy vs heavy is well just madness, better mini gun wins.

demoman takes a bit to kill the heavy without aim.

pyro just M1+W all the way.

medic will never take a heavy by himself you must be stupid to even try.

engineer: A full sg camp is enough if he isn't ubercharged.

Scout well just need to mostly run in circles and shoot?.

So that is most of everything, at least that is what i think..

 

[Nix]

2)Tomislav- Instant spinup. Any class really loses their edge.

Tomislav was nerfed.

@ Idol: I said 'with a heavy'. Not spy. Spy is ridiculous.

 

[Mr. Monday]

Heavy is only OP if the heavy

a. has good aim
b. knows that just because they are slow doesn't mean they have to turn slow
c. knows to jump and rev around corners.

 

[CrashRIT]

I guess my experiences could limit my thoughts on the heavy, im used to smaller maps like Foundry and 2fort. Im also used to playing in vanilla style tourneys (where the pyro is very UP)

I just see Huo-Long heavies with GRUs and Sandviches just completely wrecking with seemingly no skill.

 

[retroG]

hmmmm heavy conversation I just miss the old GRU