2018 Thread: RP Heading Downhill

[iLLusion99]

i feel like ever since the new years reset RP has gone downhill. People are getting paid way less money but the cost to buy everything has stayed the same which makes no sense if you ask me. Also, i feel like people just hop on the server and money grind. you never see people hosting car shows or hangouts, everyone is just at the chicken factory trying to make money. Also, now that people have found out about /repair the mechanics are getting screwed as no one is calling them for help. Overall i feel that the RP aspect of the server has gone downhill ever since the reset. This is just my opinion, not a hate speech.

 

[infamouswastaken]

You wanna set up some weekly events with me? Just something to get the server interesting again \_0_/

Discord is John Jackson, PM if you wanna do somthing...

 

[Hideout2244]

I?ll agree the RP has gone basically to chicken choking. The secret is helping the leadership find the right balance. They do not want everyone with Ferrari?s but a guy wanna eat and drink without having to choke a chicken. There are a few other options to utilize to make money, and I use the others a lot like lumber and fishing. RP it out with the truck, etc. the whole 9 yards. But I understand some just want money and will naturally go to the chickens.

New guys get on, see chickens are hoppin so they go and get robbed every second and quit. So we are losing the influx of newer guys. My rambling is just to offer another though on RP, but to also invite ideas. Good ideas I?m sure need to go to drop box for consideration but I don?t see an issue posting basic ideas here for feed back.

My thoughts were guys are grinding for the lambo etc. maybe take it out. But that would be a bummer for some, so raise their prices. But that?ll just require more grinding. Cut the chicken prices? That?ll spread the work out but grinding will still be there. It?s a hard balance to handle. Give them ideas, iron them out in here and post your final thoughts in drop box.

But I?m with you, we gotta find a way to squash the chicken monopoly without killing it.

 

[RipplyTiger151]

So the plan, based on opinions from the town hall is to even out the jobs. I started yesterday and I will continue either Sunday night or Monday during the day calculating the payout of each job and how long it takes me to do it. I plan on making all the jobs roughly even per hour of working. This does not include loading up cars, this is just what I can do in my inventory. The pay will not be quite as much as chickens is now (will probably range somewhere in the 2500-3000 per run (w/o trunk) ballpark. So, yes, the chickens will be getting a nerf. Considering the amount you can load up in a car, cutting down the payout is reasonable.

We will be reevaluating the car prices and reasonably making them more like the real life MSRP for the car. Just like I said during the meeting and I'll say it again, we won't be giving out free cars and houses just so we can have good roleplay on the server. Personally, with everyone having sports cars, I see less rp from the cop side because everyone just wants to run.

I'll try to look into properties when I get the time but with school work and irl stuff, my schedule has been tight.

As for the /repair command, you're guilty of using it too. Regardless of that fact, I've recommended its removal to the other leaders so I'll wait to see what they have to say about that.

 

[Hideout2244]

It’ll be a tough thing to balance for sure. And regardless someone will always have a gripe, but the payout rebalance will be great.

 

[iLLusion99]

Yes i am guilty of using the /repair command. but once I was told not to i haven't. i like the idea of having it removed. i would also like if we could get it so the extras also dont repair your car. Only thing is a car sometimes has little damage but ur charged 2k to store it in the garage.

To add to the payout rebalance. i think this Is a great start and a great way to have everyone doing different jobs and increasing RP.

To add to what u said about people running from cops, ive noticed that everyone wants to run, even if they r getting pulled over for a simple traffic violation.

 

[RipplyTiger151]

To add to what u said about people running from cops, ive noticed that everyone wants to run, even if they r getting pulled over for a simple traffic violation.

Yup, and it's pretty sad.

 

[kilroyy-]

Yup, and it's pretty sad.

why pull over when the cops arrest you for an absurd amount of time for small offenses 4Head

 

[RipplyTiger151]

why pull over when the power hungry cops arrest you for an absurd amount of time for small offenses 4Head

Typically if it's small, they'll give you a short sentence. You give them a hard time, they'll push you a harder sentence. If you're concerned about a sentence you got, you should fill out a Deputy complaint form on the Deputy who booked you.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScQpjyot2fGgUNaP81UpINx9tbL8ZHJufXrntCcHYER2kpiCA/viewform

 

[RageaholicRick]

why pull over when the cops arrest you for an absurd amount of time for small offenses 4Head

Absurd amount of time? We put away someone with 2 attempted murders, illegal discharge of firearm, and improper use of firearm, and he only got around 15 minutes. Pretty minor compared to what you would get in real life for an attempted murder charge if you ask me.

In regards to the RP situations, they have definitely gone downhill. Can't make a simple traffic stop without it turning into a pursuit, and can hardly have a pursuit without the person opening fire on us because they know we can't shoot back. It's ridiculous.

 

[Whane11]

In my opinion reducing pay for the legal side and patching the illegal side glitches makes it very difficult to make any money at all, so all players do now is cause havoc or sit around grinding for money and do not do anything else, at least when the illegal job glitches worked everyone had money and spent more time rping and having car meets because they had the money for the cool cars plus all the accelerated action from the cops when you actually had something to hide. Just my opinion from the side advocating for a better experience like before the wipe.

 

[Whane11]

The more money we have the more we spend, the more we spend the more fun and better experience we have, easiest way to get new players is make money easier to obtain.

 

[RedDragonKnight]

The pay will not be quite as much as chickens is now (will probably range somewhere in the 2500-3000 per run (w/o trunk) ballpark. So, yes, the chickens will be getting a nerf. Considering the amount you can load up in a car, cutting down the payout is reasonable.

Basing the payout on non trunk values will just keep mining as a bottom tier job. Whereas chicken has a full run of 100 nice and tidy at 10kg, an inventory of 7 stones from mining starts at 5.6kg and eventually smelts into 24.5kg. This means that a 150kg industrial vehicle for chickens can hold the equivalent of 15 runs, but for mining it can only hold 6. Even if the non trunk payouts were similar, chickens would still be 2-2.5x more efficient than mining if you are using your trunk at all. Also, since the stones weigh so little compared to whats smelted out of them, miners can run into the problem of taking too many stones and then not being able to store the smelted metal later.

That's not even touching on the part where making even less money is the opposite of what people want.

 

[RipplyTiger151]

The more money we have the more we spend, the more we spend the more fun and better experience we have, easiest way to get new players is make money easier to obtain.

Unfortunately, this isn't always the case. The issue before was people would get almost too much money and buy super fast cars and big weapons and constantly run and shoot at cops. Same thing with drug running. Even if they were getting stopped for a simple traffic violation, they'd be so paranoid that they'd instantly run or shoot the cop(s) because they had some drugs on them. I understand the basis of where you're coming from though. If people knew how to truly rp, they would make doing the jobs part of roleplay.

Oh, and in your post above, no one should have been using glitches. It's a rule violation that couldve resulted in a ban. So whether or not it is patched shouldn't matter. We will be increasing drug payouts to pay better than legal jobs tho.

 

[RipplyTiger151]

Basing the payout on non trunk values will just keep mining as a bottom tier job. Whereas chicken has a full run of 100 nice and tidy at 10kg, an inventory of 7 stones from mining starts at 5.6kg and eventually smelts into 24.5kg. This means that a 150kg industrial vehicle for chickens can hold the equivalent of 15 runs, but for mining it can only hold 6. Even if the non trunk payouts were similar, chickens would still be 2-2.5x more efficient than mining if you are using your trunk at all. Also, since the stones weigh so little compared to whats smelted out of them, miners can run into the problem of taking too many stones and then not being able to store the smelted metal later.

That's not even touching on the part where making even less money is the opposite of what people want.

This is one of the reasons I don't like the trunk system myself. I don't think the prices of objects should be based on how much you can stack up in your trunk, but instead how much you can make on a single run w/o using a trunk. Anyone who chooses chicken over mining because they can fit more in their trunk is obviously fishing for money and needs to learn a bit more about role-play and the fact that this server isn't just about money.

We can make a fair economy for players, but there has to be a middle ground between being fair to where you can get quite a bit of money and some cools things and getting a sports car in day 1.

 

[sammy falcon]

Here what i tell everyone when i rp as a cop. "Would you rather spend 5 month in jail for a stolen car or would rather spend 30 month for runing from me" everyone i roll with know to pull over if it nothing

 

[RipplyTiger151]

Here what i tell everyone when i rp as a cop. "Would you rather spend 5 month in jail for a stolen car or would rather spend 30 month for runing from me" everyone i roll with know to pull over if it nothing

Good point. Drug charges are so simple compared to felony evading/attempted murder charges. It's like 5-10 minutes vs 30min-2hrs. Not to mention a vareity of fines you may get as well.

 

[WaSe]

Personally, I just butted heads with the money vs. cops aspect. Before the rp used to be fair. Now, we don't have anywhere near the equipment the cops have and we try to grind there, but every time we do, something gets nerfed and it kind kills my personal want to grind. That's just my side of things.

 

[Legend]

Here what i tell everyone when i rp as a cop. "Would you rather spend 5 month in jail for a stolen car or would rather spend 30 month for runing from me" everyone i roll with know to pull over if it nothing

When I stop people I mostly just talk to them and give them a slightly hard time. I don’t even issue traffic citations usually. Ask Blaziken how many traffic cites I’ve hit him with in the 300 times I’ve pulled him over (not many). The walkers are the same. I used to pull them over in traffic a lot and they almost always left with just a warning.

Cops want RP and want to talk situations out. Cops can’t do that when people run and gun with them all the time. That’s why the fines and jail time has become exponentially worse... it’s trying to deter people to actually stop and talk.

 

[Whane11]

Thats good.