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Not sure what the current state of any planned updates or whatever for the bhop server, but I thought I'd throw a few suggestions

Right now the airaccel is at 150, that's quite low for autohop, sharp turns lower your speed, considerably so whilst crouched. Pretty much every other auto server uses 1000. I heard some people complaining about it feeling different so I'm assuming the 150 value isn't intended rn.

A prestrafe plugin might be nice (I'm not sure of any stand alone ones, I can pre on my lan with just MovementUnlocker and shavits)

SSJ plugin might also be nice, showing speedgain on each jump. Pretty much everyone I bhop with has it on when they play if the server has it.

The timer isn't bad at all, but I feel like there are better alternatives out there.
Shavit has a free open source timer that's quite good now it's received various updates in the past few months.(WR menu is far better than current one too, as well as being cleaner and nicer overall with more features)
It would mean all times are reset though so that would need to be considered, I've only just started to play on there so I don't know the state of how many people care about their points/rankings. A reset might incur some competition early on however.

Also noticed there seem to be quite a few cheated/bugged times so a reset might be helpful in that regard.

Edit : Blacky's timer is my personal favourite, used by a lot of servers. Only issue is that it costs money, $200 for timer and $100 for ac (both work separately) which is fair bit tbh
Can read more here
https://steamcommunity.com/id/blaackyy
 
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lapen said:
A prestrafe plugin might be nice (I'm not sure of any stand alone ones, I can pre on my lan with just MovementUnlocker and shavits)
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If this is what I think you mean then you can do !style and go to the 2nd page and select prespeed.
 
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If this is what I think you mean then you can do !style and go to the 2nd page and select prespeed.
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Prestrafe is where you aw/dw on the floor whilst turning to gain speed, it means you can leave the start zone with up to like 289 velocity. (without a weapon in hand)
You can do that now by prejumping on any style and leaving with less than 300 velocity (except prespeed style) but most servers I've played in the bhop community have a preference towards prestrafe over prejumping. Prestrafing is also useful on some maps where you can't prespeed (Like the LJ's on bhop_lego) and as a whole is a part of the learned movement in the source engine.
Prejumping in the startzone also allows people to jump from within the startzone and cheese their times which is lame imo.
 
Okay yeah that makes sense I just assumed they were the same thing. And I also agree about raising the 150 air accelerate as I notice the speed drop sometime and I have had people ask me if it would be changed
 
I've sent a PM to Bolten regarding the air accelleration issue. I'm actively investigating the server's update and commit history.

The rest of the suggestions, however, is a larger update that falls upon CS leadership to make the decision over.
Mayhem Death Mayhem Death
 
Prestrafe should work with both timers if you have MovementUnlocker from Alliedmods (unsure if you need it but you should been able to prestrafe)
SSJ as a feature should work fine, however the one by Alkatraz on Alliedmodders causes issues with Shavit's timer (at least it did on my lan), however Shavit gave me one that works with it that I'm sure he'll be happy to let me share.
 
L lapen

Cool stuff. I'm currently looking into both timers right now. Which one would you recommend?
 
Drewerth Drewerth
Both timers are pretty much the same in terms of functionality at the core of things, and outside of styles players aren't really going to see a great deal of difference between the two.

Both provide Normal Auto, Sideways, W only, D-Only, Half-Sideways and Low Gravity I think, however Blacky's provides TAS (client timescale, rewind etc) and an "unreal style" (scroll with double jump), whereas Shavit's only has slowdown and a segmented style as an addition.
Neither unfortunately have the parkour style or something with the same functionality as the parkour style on our current server, and I know a lot of people quite enjoy that style. I have no idea how easy it would be to add it to one of these timers however.

Blacky's also has "A minor anticheat to detect some angle hacks", unsure whether it detects people silentstrafing/1 tick strafing which is a problem on the server. Shavit's has no inbuilt anticheat.

Blacky's also comes with 2000 maps already zoned (maps not included, just zones) which would save quite a decent amount of time when zoning.

I personally recommend Blacky's timer, however it costs $200, with a further $100 if you wanted a decent anticheat (Oryx anticheat is free but it seems to cause more false positives than Blacky's anticheat BASH2).

Basically, if money wasn't a problem or everything was free, I'd 100% recommend Blacky's timer and BASH2.

After saying that however, Shavit's timer is free, and he's still actively working on it as far as I'm aware.

If you wanted I could PM you two servers, one using Blacky's timer and one using Shavit's timer so you can see how they feel and look.
 
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We never received anymore info on what we should use for the server. Do you have any other thoughts L lapen
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Mayhem Death Mayhem Death

I mean a new timer, SSJ plugin, and prestrafe with fixed (1000) air acceleration would set a nice baseline for the server. Only other thing I can think of is the RNG Fix which I made a thread about here

I'd recommend not using the "uphill inclines" side of the plugin though because that can open up pretty ridiculous routes and skips in maps that weren't obviously intended. Downhill inclines should also be disabled if the server already has a slopefix of some sort. (Although this version apparently doesn't have a bug the usual slopefix plugin has)

Can't really think of anything else

Edit: as for choice of timer, just go with Shavits. It's free and he's continuously updating it.
 
Awesome thank ya L lapen were there any other updates to the server that would help? If not, then I believe we can have Drewerth Drewerth look at the SSJ plugin and install the Shavits timer. I'm not very familiar with the uphill/downhill thing
 
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Awesome thank ya L lapen were there any other updates to the server that would help? If not, then I believe we can have Drewerth Drewerth look at the SSJ plugin and install the Shavits timer. I'm not very familiar with the uphill/downhill thing
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Can't really think of anything right now, if I do I'll give you a shout in this thread though.

The uphill fix means you consistently keep speed when sliding up a ramp (any angled block) that isn't a surf, removing what is pretty much RNG (Technically isn't but might as well be) but it opens up the ability for lots of maps to be done a lot quicker in the way they're not meant to be.

Downhill fix means you consistently get "boosted" and by the same amount when you fall onto a ramp (any angled block) so it's not RNG.

I have an SSJ plugin that shavit compiled for me for my Lan server, I'm sure he wouldn't mind me sharing. The one on AlliedModders had a problem with Shavit's timer, and the one he gave me looks a little nicer in chat too.
 
lapen said:
Mayhem Death Mayhem Death

Can't really think of anything right now, if I do I'll give you a shout in this thread though.

The uphill fix means you consistently keep speed when sliding up a ramp (any angled block) that isn't a surf, removing what is pretty much RNG (Technically isn't but might as well be) but it opens up the ability for lots of maps to be done a lot quicker in the way they're not meant to be.

Downhill fix means you consistently get "boosted" and by the same amount when you fall onto a ramp (any angled block) so it's not RNG.

I have an SSJ plugin that shavit compiled for me for my Lan server, I'm sure he wouldn't mind me sharing. The one on AlliedModders had a problem with Shavit's timer, and the one he gave me looks a little nicer in chat too.
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Ah gotcha, yea that would be fantastic if you were willing to share it with us!
 
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