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Don't get me wrong Spy vs Spy is a great map.. Once you get outside of Main Cells, I've never had a time where cts won over 3-4 times on Spy, rebelling is too easy. Every other round Ts spawn with the shotgun and all of us CTs just die. And without a super cancer Warden like Rendo (Love you) we never win. I've been thinking of a couple solutions to this.

1 Should all CT's be cancer on Spy?

2 Should there be a mapfix again?

3 Should there be no changes?

Personally I think its a great mix up after playing (in this order) Minecraft, Clouds, Dojo, Minecraft, Vipinthemix, an RTV. Then Spy, but I think the rounds are just to short, I enjoy the map, but heard other people complain so i thought i'd bring it up here..

Rendo is best Cancer Warden 2018-....
 
1. No that would motivate rebelling
2. Not sure
3. Depends if people want change
 
Sounds like you just had an unlucky game, I've played Spy v Spy lots and not many times has the entire Warden and CT team died and not recovered.
 
Barely any secrets. Wardens have to be cancer to get to lr. No special games, only the same old basic games. It's sort of smal. I really dislike spy vs spy.

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. I've been thinking of a couple solutions to this.
1 Should all CT's be cancer on Spy?

This may sound rude, but i'll flat out say it. That's the opposite of a solution. Cancer is what's currently killing JB the most, and I myself wouldn't touch this game mode if it was like that.

Secondly, the map has had attempted nerfs, but it's really not possible to fix.

And finally, I think things should stay where they are. People are going to vote for the maps they want to play. If SpyVSpy is getting played often, it says something.
 
Personally I am not a fan of Spy as I like to play CT almost 90% of the time on Jb. It is a small map that either needs fixing or a revamp as a whole. Whether or not this will take effect is debatable due to the fact that everybody who plays T to rebel loves Spy. If it were up to me I’d say just get rid of it as a whole but I cannot control this. Might be something to consider being dealt with though.
 
The only problem on spy is ITS SMALL.If you have the problem with the shotgun unstack them or just let cts pursue armory and dont open cells until they shotgun is disposed.
 
*In my opinion*

The Issue with spy vs spy or actually any map is not the map itself but the CT's. I've noticed and have warned CT's several times not to T Bait, when this happens and a CT does bait the round is usually over from chaos. It really isn't that hard to stay away from the T's but in order to be, as many people say, "Cancer" you need to get close to make hard shots of a T scratching his nose while warden has said to afk freeze. Now its not always the CT's fault, sometimes its the wardens to where he doesn't give CT's enough time to get out of the way of a command. I would still say for the CT's to be aware of where the markers are put and not have a 24/7 eye on the T's waiting for them to sneeze. if CT's would just give them space and back off the T's, im sure it would make it alot harder for the T's to rebel.
 
Concept: If ct's are more lenient, not only will everyone have more fun but the ct's will also spend less time looking for small things to kill the t's for and will be able to notice actual rebellers that are endangering the ct's.
 
I just feel like being "cancer" promotes me and other t's want to rebel. Just be calm, nice, and don't take 2-3 minutes to get out of main cells. Just know what you're doing and don't give commands that take 3 minutes just to get to 1 marker. And... 1. NO (makes new people not want to play anymore) 2. No the map is good 3. Yes
 
I just feel like being "cancer" promotes me and other t's want to rebel. Just be calm, nice, and don't take 2-3 minutes to get out of main cells. Just know what you're doing and don't give commands that take 3 minutes just to get to 1 marker. And... 1. NO (makes new people not want to play anymore) 2. No the map is good 3. Yes

The more t's rebel the more Cancer Ct's Are.
 
Spy is too easy to rebel on. Grab sawed off, shoot ct's, smoke off vent cell and rush armory, run outside and grab glock etc. There's just too many secrets in such a small distance of cells. There also is no variety in games played. It's simply T's getting into deathcrate and then LR being sorted out there or climb and all CT's die cuz of bomb. IMO this map is very hard to play unless you use cancer.
 
I hate the map, the only way you rebel is by either killing ct's or rushing vents there's only one secret lol. Also the warden and/or the guards are really cancer. If there was a vote to remove spy vs spy I'd say yes.
 

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