Web Delivered Rename ban contests to ban appeals

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I've never really understood why "ban contests" are named the way they are. From what I can see outside of eGO, most game servers name the system a Ban Appeal.

The primary difference between contest and appeal is that contest implies the ban must've been mistaken or incorrect (ie: you can only contest an incorrect ban), whereas appeal is less specific.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter, but if possible I think it would be nice to change the name to be more fitting.
 
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MSWS said:
I've never really understood why "ban contests" are named the way they are. From what I can see outside of eGO, most game servers name the system a Ban Appeal.

The primary difference between contest and appeal is that contest implies the ban must've been mistaken or incorrect (ie: you can only contest an incorrect ban), whereas appeal is less specific.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter, but if possible I think it would be nice to change the name to be more fitting.
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Ban requests was changed to Report a player, so I can't see why not. (Although my lack of English skills fail to understand the difference lol)

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May as well update it to help avoid confusion. So, sure why not.
 
While we are on this topic, I think it would be quite helpful to add an example of how to fill all the boxes in the report/contest. A lot of people get confused by Server Name and STEAMID, from what I've seen.
 
MSWS said:
I've never really understood why "ban contests" are named the way they are. From what I can see outside of eGO, most game servers name the system a Ban Appeal.

The primary difference between contest and appeal is that contest implies the ban must've been mistaken or incorrect (ie: you can only contest an incorrect ban), whereas appeal is less specific.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter, but if possible I think it would be nice to change the name to be more fitting.
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I think this change modifies perception, and for the right reasons. It is a little bit of semantics, but you are correct.

SneakyTurtle said:
While we are on this topic, I think it would be quite helpful to add an example of how to fill all the boxes in the report/contest. A lot of people get confused by Server Name and STEAMID, from what I've seen.
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We could do a better job at this, but unless we are filling the forms out for them people still are going to do it wrong. The fact is this is an unsolvable problem. Without better words we can't "idiotproof" it because they keep making better "idiots". Obviously no disrespect intended, the point being somehow somewhere someone is going to mess it up regardless. Though we could be more specific here and there, and a video tutorial might help some visual learners.
 
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SneakyTurtle said:
While we are on this topic, I think it would be quite helpful to add an example of how to fill all the boxes in the report/contest. A lot of people get confused by Server Name and STEAMID, from what I've seen.
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For IDs, I don't think it happens often enough and is fairly easy to solve. Usually people at least put their name and MAUL can searched by handle, Steam ID, etc. They also tend to appeal quite quickly - so their name is usually on the 1st or 2nd page of bans on MAUL when leadership goes to check it. If not, it's usually a quick "Hey give us an ID" and it's solved fast.

Server name doesn't even really matter honestly, because admins should be putting MAUL notes in that tell the story and indicate which server it happened on.
 
+1 because “contest” I feel is a term you would use when fighting against an unjust punishment. The word appeal is just better all around.
 
Yes, contesting a ban is to try and prove that it is wrong and they were unjustly banned, to appeal is to throw themselves on the mercy of those that judge them to give them another chance to hack/cheat or break whatever rule that got them banned again.
 
The deeper problem is where you lay a finger. Is the user contesting a wrong or appealing a right. One word points a finger implying wrong done by them, other the admin.

Maybe something neutral? Unban Request. It implies no wrong or right.

Again, this is all largely semantics and perception, and quite possibly reading too deeply. I do agree that the proposed suggestion is a good suggestion, but MS MS , what do you think about "Unban Request" as an attempt to be neutral and impartial?
 
4g0tt3nSou1 said:
The deeper problem is where you lay a finger. Is the user contesting a wrong or appealing a right. One word points a finger implying wrong done by them, other the admin.

Maybe something neutral? Unban Request. It implies no wrong or right.

Again, this is all largely semantics and perception, and quite possibly reading too deeply. I do agree that the proposed suggestion is a good suggestion, but MS MS , what do you think about "Unban Request" as an attempt to be neutral and impartial?
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I actually do agree with this one, no blame should be pointed in either way
 
I personally disagree with "Unban Request", it seems too informal. While this is a game at the end of the day, bans are issued when players fail to follow the rules. Having a name that implies one simply "requests" to be unbanned seems almost too "friendly".

An appeal doesn't necessarily imply guilt, you are either defending or presenting your side of the story, and your reason to be unbanned. A part of the request to revoke a ban is that one must provide a reason as to why they should be unbanned (ie they must appeal it). Simply asking "Hey can I get unbanned?" will always prompt the response "Why should we unban you?". In short, Appeal summarizes this interaction, more succinctly and more accurately describes the point of the forum.

4g0tt3nSou1 said:
One word points a finger implying wrong done by them, other the admin.
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Skle said:
I actually do agree with this one, no blame should be pointed in either way
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In general it is expected for admins to be in the right. Admins should be ensuring their bans are accurate, documented, and correct. In other words, it should be safe to assume (and imply) that the player is at fault, and to expect some form of explanation on their end. In other words: Yes, the blame is on the player.

That being said, appeal does not (as stated above) imply guilt, it merely states the fact that someone is disagreeing with a decision.
 
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I mean ban request was changed to report a player so yes.
 
Ok...I confess, when I first saw the phrase ''Ban Contest" I thought it was some sort of competition as contests usually are. Ban Appeal is a slightly clearer description as long as we're not talking about attraction. Maybe the phrase "Appeal Your Ban" is actually best as it is simple. It's all semantics, but there's a valid point to consider better clarity. (y)
 
may I please resurrect this thread.

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I agree with contest -> appeal.
 
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