Body Cam Ruling Changes

[RipplyTiger151]

The rule on the utilization of recordings in character has been adjusted to include a new exemption for law enforcement:

• Streams can only be used out of character. The only footage that can be used in character is anything that was recording while visibly displaying an animation with a camera. (/phoneR, /cam, /e phone, /e filmshock, /e camera)
  • Law Enforcement is allowed an exemption to this rule - officers are allowed to use video footage as body camera footage as long as the officer has the body camera prop on their uniform. Video footage from a dash camera may also be used as long as the vehicle has a dash camera prop in it. The DOJ will vet body camera footage on its usability in court (angles of the footage of what would actually be seen by a front-facing camera, etc.). Civilians may also remove officer body cameras through appropriate roleplay but should not abuse doing so.

 

[Rekty]

-1

 

[Confission]

-1

 

[Buster]

 

[Marcoboy24]

RipplyTiger151 Can civs wear a bodycam and have it be allowed?

 

[iLLusion99]

+1

 

[RipplyTiger151]

RipplyTiger151 Can civs wear a bodycam and have it be allowed?

At this time, no. Cops are utilizing body cameras for court purposes and will be well vetted by the judges. On top of that it makes little sense for criminals to have body cams like cops.

 

[Rekty]

At this time, no. Cops are utilizing body cameras for court purposes and will be well vetted by the judges. On top of that it makes little sense for criminals to have body cams like cops.

Curious, what negatives are there to civs being allowed to wear body cameras?

 

[Rekty]

RipplyTiger151 ^^ ?

 

[RipplyTiger151]

RipplyTiger151 ^^ ?

Because it just doesn't look right to have a civilian wearing a police body camera. Plus what reasons do yall need to wear cameras?

On top of that, the main argument I've heard from the rest of the team is that we should expect that people record with a physical action. The reason it was determined cops need an exemption is due to the nature of their job and the fact that they can't sit there and hold a camera during their interaction. The footage assists in building that proof beyond a reasonable doubt in court. If a cop has footage of an incident that proves something in the court case, I'd have a hard time believing that some footage from a civ would prove otherwise.

 

[Rekty]

Because it just doesn't look right to have a civilian wearing a police body camera. Plus what reasons do yall need to wear cameras?

for court and RP.

GoPro's are common, it would literally just be a GoPro, how am I supposed to defend myself when getting abused by police when I have no evidence.

"it doesnt look right" shouldnt be prioritized over RP.

 

[RipplyTiger151]

for court and RP.

GoPro's are common, it would literally just be a GoPro, how am I supposed to defend myself when getting abused by police when I have no evidence.

"it doesnt look right" shouldnt be prioritized over RP.

Once a go pro prop is added and the rest of the team is supportive of it, I have no objection in allowing it.

The DOJ is vetting footage very thoroughly so I have no concern that footage could be abused on either side. We can also outline that the only part of the footage is that which is pointing in the front direction of the player.

 

[Sammy3345]

Because it just doesn't look right to have a civilian wearing a police body camera. Plus what reasons do yall need to wear cameras?

On top of that, the main argument I've heard from the rest of the team is that we should expect that people record with a physical action. The reason it was determined cops need an exemption is due to the nature of their job and the fact that they can't sit there and hold a camera during their interaction. The footage assists in building that proof beyond a reasonable doubt in court. If a cop has footage of an incident that proves something in the court case, I'd have a hard time believing that some footage from a civ would prove otherwise.

I think Rektys main concern does not lie within criminals/civilians having body cam evidence that criminals could/would disprove a cops claims(even though this can happen, cops do make mistakes like criminals and civs); It also has to do with the fact that officers have the option to say that they forgot to turn on bodycam and or it fell off in a scuffle. So if an officer does something on his body cam that could lose him the case, he has options to not beable to provide footage. Thus, if criminals and civilians alike have a way to record as easily as police, both sides would be reaching common ground in the ability to record and the ability to display recording as evidence.

 

[Star]

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[Marcoboy24]

If it is so unnatural to have a bodycam as a civilian, and we need to wear gopro's which aren't a thing. Then why weren't they added alongside the new ruling?
Do you guys just not care about civilians/criminals and prioritize Police over other players/civilians?
"The footage assists in building that proof beyond a reasonable doubt in court"
Why dont civilians need to be able to do this?

"The reason it was determined cops need an exemption is due to the nature of their job and the fact that they can't sit there and hold a camera during their interaction"

Neither can criminals/civilians half of the time when something happens, besides if something did happen you are usually to late to start the emote.


"If a cop has footage of an incident that proves something in the court case, I'd have a hard time believing that some footage from a civ would prove otherwise."

What if a civilian has footage of an incident that proves something in the court case? Now they cant use it and the Police WOULD be able to prove otherwise, due to their word counting more than a civilians.

" Video footage from a dash camera may also be used as long as the vehicle has a dash camera prop in it."

Any car could mount a dash camera, how come civilians aren't allowed to use this? Theres no negative besides PD loses more cases due to civilians actually having proof of all these mishaps that they have.
Are you trying to prevent civilians from having proof for their cases?

 

[Rekty]

RipplyTiger151 ^

 

[OmgWtfNamesTaken]

My two cents.

If you give everyone the ability to record scenes and then use said recording as IC information, metagaming is going to get a hell of a lot worse and you give people a way to say "the rules allow it"

Using recordings for IC purposes while in the server would be fine, things such as court cases or a news broadcast but there has to be a line drawn at some point. I truly do feel that if people are allowed to use all their recordings as IC information that can be shared, you are going to have a lot of issues. When these issues arise, people will get upset.

The simple solution would be that you CANNOT use IC information via a recording unless it is either A: on the news. B: evidence in a court case. It's not something you can "email" someone about. Any streams, or recordings out side of the server should not give your character any sort of information or advantage.

EDIT: just to add, sometimes you have to take a step back from what is "realistic" and evaluate what is right for the server as a whole