Counter-Strike CS:S DUST2 - Knife Round!

[Clem]

Hello,

CS:S Dust2 is still banging hard active everynight 32v32 players. Sometimes the competition is pretty fierce and emotions run high!

What not to drop the tension and make a good laugh for everyone by forcing a Knife round of 32 terrorists on 32 Counter-terrorist in a bloody knife battle in bombsite B?
We open the all talk of course for some well deserved banter, we keep those dead from talking/ghosting to the alive of course.

This sometimes does help a community to have a change of pace and a break time for those that do play seriously.

I found this mod on allied modders: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=325118
it seemed pretty easy to setup since it relies on SM which we have already enabled and just a few lines of code to have an admin to force it the next round or we can even tune it up if no admin are around , enough people trigger a vote, then enough people vote for it on the triggered vote.
My 2 cents.

 

[WiredWrong]

As with anything, you'll have some people who are for it, and some that are against it. And you can't make everyone happy, unfortunately. I would ask if all the other admins of the CS:S D2 server would chime in with their opinion on this matter.

I would support the idea of a knife only round, but in a very limited and regulated capacity. Maybe something reserved for the last round of a map, before it switches over to a new cycle. As some regulars on the server have also expressed the idea of wanting a "pistols only" round as the first starting round of a map change. I think that would strike a balance for those wanting something new, while avoiding the consequences of changing the servers' historic standard of gameplay.

I do express caution when it comes to the frequency or repetitiveness of these "fun rounds", or any major change to the current server setup. I understand the desire of those who want something new, to serve as a change of pace, but I warn against the overuse that could follow. Recently, we've had "fun rounds" forcefully set upon the server with growing frequency, and with no regard to asking any current admins of their stance or vote on the matter. While this has been allowed to continue without any major acknowledgement, it has certainly caused some issues between those who are for it and those that are not in favor - players and admins. Major or frequent changes should be looked at with much contemplation before execution.

Thank you Clem for bringing this idea up. It could lead to something beneficial and fun for the players of the server, with the right care and supervision by those who initiate it.

 

[Clem]

Jupiterr -Luke- BostonFire Poopmasta Sanguinary HEYYYBURRRRR bean Euphoric camthegeek Sanguinary wAVeWoLVes M Munchausen By Proxy

Tagging for visibility and also thank you WiredWrong for your Input! I agree we should keep the historical setup and what players have come for in this server.

 

[Jupiterr]

I think knife rounds (or even pistol rounds) could be fun, on occasion tho. I think as long as it's not too frequent it could be entertaining.

 

[Euphoric]

I would also like to see a knife round. Although I was also wondering if this would disrupt the flow of the server, but I think WiredWrong makes a great point about setting it as the first or last round of the match.

 

[-Luke-]

Thanks for the mention Clem . As WiredWrong mentioned above, you will get wildly varying opinions on this subject, and you'll never make everyone happy. Its always been my opinion that any gameplay changes to the CS:S Dust2 server must be meticulously thought out, because the current recipe is what keeps a majority of the community alive. Simple, vanilla gameplay, no AWP/Auto, and Dust2 24/7. The vast majority of the community is comprised of loyal yet silent regulars who are online almost every night, many older folks who may not take kindly to it, and wouldn't bother to voice their opinion.

I for one, would personally prefer the server to be left alone.

Having said that, I think tasteful, carefully planned out rounds would be acceptable, there are many who would enjoy and welcome it. Good examples were mentioned above, and I'll reiterate and give my 2 cents. Keep it curt and simple. A "warm-up" 30 second round of pistols only, or knife only as the opening round is a good idea. A 1-time per map vote (or admin triggered, also capped per map change) knife round or pistol only round in the middle of the map time would be acceptable as well. I would caution against doing anything with the late game, as when it gets competitive, it sometimes could come down to a last round tie-breaker, we don't want to interfere with players who want to actually play the game and try to win.

-Luke

 

[Sanguinary]

I also agree that an occasional round of different would be fun. First or last round with knife or pistol would be fine.

 

[Munchausen By Proxy]

I love the idea of adding an occasional knife round! First or last or maybe when the score gets really lopsided, like 15 - 1 T's a knife round can help boost morale for the losing team. Not sure if that is even something that could be programmed. I play on Old Farts rather often and they have a mod that sets up a knife fight when there are only two players left alive. Pretty fun. I welcome the idea.

 

[Clem]

I just wanted to thank everyone for their input! <3
I'm happy to know everyone's opinion, everyone has a stake in this server and we all want the best for it, for its continuity and its activity.

Like some of you mentioned, it is a fragile ecosystem, that the little change can topple its balance and its activity.That the worst outcome would be; that this change would chase away the community that it binds solemnly.

With that said in mind, some of people also said that a change can be good or a relief of sort. I was thinking since the Office server (not blaming anyone) is not doing really well, would it be recycled in a more 'custom server' such as : lots of maps to choose from, kniferounds, pistol rounds, shotgun rounds etc..

what are you guys thoughts on this? WiredWrong -Luke- M Munchausen By Proxy Sanguinary Euphoric osVa Jupiterr BostonFire Poopmasta HEYYYBURRRRR camthegeek bean

 

[WiredWrong]

With respect to the players and admins who want to keep the "24/7 Office server" as it's name implies, I wouldn't want to take the option away from them to use it for those specific desires. I know some have fought very hard to make it come back online, with the hopes of building it up over time. From my perspective, due to server maintenance and recent Source changes, I don't feel they've had a prime opportunity to organize and structure the Office server to harbor a loyal and consistent Office community. The handful of times when a "Office server fill" event was put on, many joined for the hour or two of fun and excitement, but did not return until the next scheduled hangout. I am wary of it's ability to flourish without support. I'm not sure if it could stand on it's own, without a dedicated group of admins and players committed to populating on a consistent basis. This is needed for any server to be functional.

However, if those who intend to manage and populate the Office server decided they might be open to trying a different approach, to substitute the singularity of 24/7 Office, they might be willing to yield to the idea of a mingling with your "Custom Server" concept. Maybe with Office as one of the map options? I think a compromise could be found. I do see the value of having a secondary server for a smaller section of the community. Focused on having fun, and not aligning to the conventional Dust2 server structure. A dedicated place for shenanigans to be commonplace. A few times while playing on the Office server, less than 10 players, all-talk was on so we could chat amongst ourselves. We all came to an mutual agreement; to only use certain weapons for certain rounds; only knives, shotguns only this round, scouts only in the next, etc. It was a ton of fun and everyone had left feeling better than when they arrived! A nice form of stress relief!

To those passionate enough, who want to put the work in; creating, maintaining, managing, populating, and marketing a place like this, go for it. You have my blessing. Good things do not come easy, and it will take time and dedication from many to see this through.


To envision...
Now entering: EdgeGamers Custom Server. You hear: sounds of friendly chatter and banter, followed by chuckles and goofy laughs! A quaint and eccentric place! Familiar, but not quite resembling what you've experienced before. Variety is the spice of life. And here, you have a variety of maps and weapons only rounds to choose from! So come, join in with the gameplay, and cast your vote for the next map or weapons change!

 

[osVa]

I am all in with converting that server to a more custom one.


A long time ago I was part and an admin for a clan/community called True Grit. We had a Monster server 50 something slots or 60, I don't remember. And a smaller 24 player 100 tick server with a cool rotation. this was a more competitive and different tactic server. And I think we could accomplish the same here.

I don't really know the price difference for a 100 tick server vs 66, but I am more than welcome to help accomplish this if needed.

We could create a rotation dust2, office, cbble, piranesi, etc. I also agree that it will take time and a lot of effort, but could be done. And we can also do a lot of the stuff being discussed here, knife rounds, pistol rounds, etc. We also had throwing knives perks for the donators and also a neon colored tail (I don't know if this is available anymore)

 

[Cascsiany]

We are looking into adding this, and when to add knife and/or similar rounds. We want to cause minimal disruption to the server's gameplay while still providing the addition.

 

[Jacks0n]

Drop your weapons, its cold blood time!

 

[Jacks0n]

We are looking into adding this, and when to add knife and/or similar rounds. We want to cause minimal disruption to the server's gameplay while still providing the addition.

Also, some players from what I know are also looking for pistol only round.

 

[Jacks0n]

I think knife rounds (or even pistol rounds) could be fun, on occasion tho. I think as long as it's not too frequent it could be entertaining.

LMAO, knife only sounds like playing Chivalry 2 in CS:S.

 

[Sanguinary]

I think Wired and Osva are right on about the Office server and its potential. A little nudge of change could bring that to life.

 

[wAVeWoLVes]

Jupiterr -Luke- BostonFire Poopmasta Sanguinary HEYYYBURRRRR bean Euphoric camthegeek Sanguinary wAVeWoLVes M Munchausen By Proxy

Tagging for visibility and also thank you WiredWrong for your Input! I agree we should keep the historical setup and what players have come for in this server.

I love the idea of giving admins power to enable knife only or handgun only rounds occasionally. I used to play on a server that had every first round Deags only... would have been Church of the Deagle dust 2 server.

 

[Clem]

Just wanted to thank everyone that took the time of their day to come here and express their opinion on that subject. I learned a lot and I feel like its good to have those discussions in a recurring fashion so if we stir up new ideas we can keep bouncing them off each other. See you on the D2 Warzone

 

[wAVeWoLVes]

I love the idea of giving admins power to enable knife only or handgun only rounds occasionally. I used to play on a server that had every first round Deags only... would have been Church of the Deagle dust 2 server.

Revamping the "24-7 Office" server to include a map rotation or something different could be worthwhile, and I would check it out and give it some play time if it were to come about. It's just never easy when you're starting to find the base of players who are gonna keep it going.

 

[GB06]

Not to necro post, but..

The way I would do this is through a vote. There is no right or wrong here, it depends on the present in-game mood. Let the server decide each time if they want a knife round. Seeing as how there are talks in Discord to incentivize joining EG, this could be an EG member perk.

Members can start a knife round vote once every set amount of rounds. If it fails, they can start a vote after half the required amount of rounds. But if it fails twice in a row it resets back to the initial amount. You don't want the shiny new member that only applied for EG for vote access to spam votes.

To make sure this doesn't effect the competitive or "ecosystem" side of the server, scores and weapons can be reinstated once the round ends. In other words, the custom round effects nothing at all, just a cool off period.

If you want to go above and beyond, add other options to the vote:

1. CT v T
2. Free for All
3. 1 v 1: All players would spawn and duel at the same time, but only one opponent is visible at a time. The last survivor wins.

None of the above would negatively effect the server, and only run when a custom round is initiated.