Role of Scout

I agree with everything you guys are saying but I think youre also forgetting that a good scout can be incredible on defense, especially on open maps like gravelpit. On maps like this the scout can flank very easily causing havoc on a push, can jump up into the spawn tunnels, and get back to defend points much faster than any other class after death.
 
I agree with everything you guys are saying but I think youre also forgetting that a good scout can be incredible on defense, especially on open maps like gravelpit. On maps like this the scout can flank very easily causing havoc on a push, can jump up into the spawn tunnels, and get back to defend points much faster than any other class after death.

Well that pretty much falls under a subcategory of all other points. On GP I only play Scout or Spy on Defense.
 
It does fall under the categories other people were talking about, I get the sense that most people think of the scout as primarily an offensive class even though it has huge potential for defensive use too if used correctly
 
Defense

I use scout for defense on 2fort. I usually have at least 2:1 K : D in this role, and my record is 5 flag defenses in one life as scout. Nobody can take down a scout running for your intel quite like... another scout!

And Ivo is right, a scout can sometimes match a spy for taking out medics. Many a HWG has cried knowing that I've turned his medic into swiss cheese while he wasn't looking (sometimes before the medic can pop the uber):D
 
basically his job is to flank, annoy, retreat, and cap points, he's not meant for one on one fighting with guys like soldiers and heavies, it's all about hitting, then retreating, etc, personally if I can I like to make it back to the enemies base and kill the telis just to be annoying lol

1 on 1 fighting is probably the best you can d with scout....it hard to kill 3 enemes at once but its possible.
He can easily kill heavies 3 hits retreat 2 hits = dead, soldier a little harder but more or less same

Scout is great for defending imop as he can easily get pckups safely in ally lines and he cnan easily pick people off especially if its an open area...just dont stop moving!
 
I Like Scout as spy checker/ Cap protector. I think scouts are very well at doing spy checks and defending caps/ intel( Mostly caps.) Becuase they can roam the outside of the cap and spy check from thier really easy. plus if one gets by them onto the point they are most the the first ones to be able to get back to the cap. Also i think scouts are just good in general on open maps( such as gravel pit).
 
i like scouts cuz i do dive bomber on people and can kill them before they relize
 
I can never forcibly make myself play the scout in any effective manner. I know what I should be doing to be a good scout, but I can never bring myself to do it. It's partially because I mostly play pyro, or at least starting about a year ago. At some point I realized I should actually pick my fights and learned how to just abandon the assault if it looked too dire and how to go in blazing if it seemed promising (freebie) or if I had a good chance at pulling it off (70% or higher).

Then I switch over to scout and find myself falling into my old suicidal habits I used to have with pyro. I pull out the bat and start running around trying to bonk heads. I currently have a higher kill count with the bat than the scattergun and pistol combined (and actually several other non-scout weapons). Even when I do decide a situation is too dangerous, when I actually engage a situation I find myself playing like I would pyro. Once I made the decision to move in, I can't find myself pulling out unless it's just a guaranteed death sentence. Can't seem to do all the hit and run: run in and shoot a few times, then exit and reappear.
 
the scouts bat is very very bad weapon....pretty much lowest dmg of all weaps and should only be used in soute vs scout when you outta ammo and need to reload, but cant run away to reload as the scout is as fast as you....

Scattergun is your FRIEND!
 
Only if your a very bad scout... never have a 1:1 ratio or less as scout.....hell i usually get about 3-10 kills before i die....just know when to run and get HP pickups....your just not a very good scout :)

My aim is kinda sucky a lot of the time wit the scattergun but i still d ok :)

And also i miss convoy as a scout, owning all those snipers and getting the intel 10 seconds after round starts, destroying lvl 3 sentriees with nothing but my pistol then taking the intel all by my lonesome...
I miss convoy lol

It's not that I'm a bad scout, it's just I'm often sacrificing myself for my team. If I really wanted to, I could become less useful and try to keep a 1:1 ratio, but I only ever really play scout on Warpath, and each possible path to reach the enemy is guarded by sentries usually, and sentries destroy scouts. I could play as defensive scout, but most of the time I'd be way more useful playing a class I actually consider my "main" like pyro or sniper.

As a scout, I'm constantly running out before an uber to distract the enemy, trying to stay alive as long as I can, and attempting to eliminate important enemy players, attempting to get demos to blow their stickies before hand so it's a little harder for them to juggle the uber-ed people, or just general distracting techniques that not even Mucs could survive.

On other maps, yeah. I could totally see how a scout would be able to do a better job, and I've done that before, it's just on maps like that, I can do even better as a pyro or sniper. It really depends on the map to see if it's actually possible to have a 1:1 k/d ratio as a scout, unless the enemy team at that time is playing horribly and doesn't have any of the scouting paths covered.
 
It's not that I'm a bad scout, it's just I'm often sacrificing myself for my team. If I really wanted to, I could become less useful and try to keep a 1:1 ratio, but I only ever really play scout on Warpath, and each possible path to reach the enemy is guarded by sentries usually, and sentries destroy scouts. I could play as defensive scout, but most of the time I'd be way more useful playing a class I actually consider my "main" like pyro or sniper.
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Scout is really bad in Warpath there are mostly not enough room fo the scout, only time scout should be used in warpath is to get the fist 3 caps, after that i always switch to a diff class like sniper, hvy,medic or even spy sometimes.

Some orange maps are just the shizz to play with scout, got some of my best scoes for scout in them like 20/0 k/d xD

Edit: qote button doesnt like me :'(
 
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