[poll] Are pirates cooler than ninjas

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alright pirates are colse but ninjas are the winners. im sorry but ninjas are the shiznits. they were real.a nd they did almost everything a pirate did. but dont u think that this poll depends on the person answering it? perhaps u are sneaky and like to trick people? a ninja. but what if you were a person of adventure, tresure, and honesty? a pirate. it all depends. i myself am tricky and sneaky, and in some cases cunning therefore a ninja. jack sparrow is a movie and they only make him llok cool. but would u want to be unhygenic and have knives in mouths? lol and that is my point.
 
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alright pirates are colse but ninjas are the winners. im sorry but ninjas are the shiznits. they were real.a nd they did almost everything a pirate did. but dont u think that this poll depends on the person answering it? perhaps u are sneaky and like to trick people? a ninja. but what if you were a person of adventure, tresure, and honesty? a pirate. it all depends. i myself am tricky and sneaky, and in some cases cunning therefore a ninja. jack sparrow is a movie and they only make him llok cool. but would u want to be unhygenic and have knives in mouths? lol and that is my point.
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Honesty? Pirates? That's silly...

But your point about Jack Sparrow...

Famous Real Pirates!
Bart Roberts, Blackbeard, Henry Morgan, Stede Bonnet, Captain Kidd, Jean Lafitte, François l'Ollonais, Roche Brasiliano, and Jack Rackham

Pirates evolved from vikings, which is the only thing that can beat a pirate!

Famous Real Vikings!
Erik The Red, Leif Erikson (TRUE discoverer of the Americas), and Ine of Wessex.

Now believe me, there are plenty more than just Jack Sparrow. Famous REAL ninjas? There are none because they're lame.
 
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That was almost verbatim from that other topic, wasn't it, Flea?
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Yeah pretty much. I always feel the need to restate some of my points because people overlook them. Ninjas were not anywhere close to as "awesome assassin" like as people think. They wore black, tried to sneak around, but there was no real invisible wicked fast murder action. Often times they were discovered when attacking actual people, and had to fight (where some of them would die) or run away. Ninja supporters should all go do some research.
 
Yar he old scurvy dog, Ah-har! Jim lad! Shiver me timbers!, Skuttle me Skippers, Weigh anchor, Arrrghh, thar's a storm a brewin, A dubloon in me face is better'n a piece of eight.....I wish I knew what I just said !dodge ......but anway, pirates for the win!!!
 
Ninjas would not waste pirates. The european "pirates" were why the Japanese realized their ninja-samurai system was crap and lead to them modernizing to a more european style of combat. You silly ninjas were paying the pirates so you could get guns and cannons.

I'm telling ya, research. Ninjas were not as great as you all think.
 
I, personally, don't really care what ninjas really were like in reference to this and the other topic. I interpreted them more as 'Pirate Legends vs. Ninja Legends', not who would win in an actual, realistic battle. But the problem is that quite a few people can't distinguish the two.
 
lol, people distinguish what the want to, that's the joy of communicating in "text". The original question was "what is cooler". Not a doctoral thesis, weapon and skill multipliers, etc.

...of course having seen the Jack Sparrow movies, we do know that in the last one, the Asian pirates shown did in fact have ninja-style guys around. Nice little twist there.

..so they were BOTH cool together.
 
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lol, people distinguish what the want to, that's the joy of communicating in "text". The original question was "what is cooler". Not a doctoral thesis, weapon and skill multipliers, etc.

...of course having seen the Jack Sparrow movies, we do know that in the last one, the Asian pirates shown did in fact have ninja-style guys around. Nice little twist there.

..so they were BOTH cool together.


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They were Ninja Pirates, pirates who used Ninja techniques. So they were indeed Pirates.

As I listed before, there are several awesome Pirate Heroes that rock the socks off of any ninja noob.
 
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Ninjas would not waste pirates. The european "pirates" were why the Japanese realized their ninja-samurai system was crap and lead to them modernizing to a more european style of combat. You silly ninjas were paying the pirates so you could get guns and cannons.

I'm telling ya, research. Ninjas were not as great as you all think.
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Lol. Let us see what wikipedia has to say:

"The ninja use of stealth tactics against better-armed enemy samurai does not mean that they were limited to espionage and undercover work: that is simply where their actions most notably differed from the more accepted tactics of samurai. Their weapons and tactics were partially derived from the need to conceal or defend themselves quickly from samurai, which can be seen from the similarities between many of their weapons and various sickles and threshing tools used at the time.

"Ninjas as a group first began to be written about in 15th century feudal Japan as martial organizations predominately in the regions of Iga and Koga of central Japan, though the practice of guerrilla warfare and undercover espionage operations goes back much further.

"At this time, the conflicts between the clans of daimyo that controlled small regions of land had established guerrilla warfare and assassination as a valuable alternative to frontal assault. Since Bushido, the Samurai Code, forbade such tactics as dishonorable, a daimyo could not expect his own troops to perform the tasks required; thus, he had to buy or broker the assistance of ninja to perform selective strikes, espionage, assassination, and infiltration of enemy strongholds. (Stephen Turnbull).

"There are a few people and groups of people regarded as having been potential historical ninja from approximately the same time period. It is rumored that some of the higher-ranking daimyos and shoguns were in fact ninja, and exploited their role as ninja-hunters to deflect suspicion and obscure their participation in the 'dishonorable' ninja methods and training.

See, some of the daimyos (clan leaders and lesser generals) and shoguns (the supreme military rulers of Japan, second only to the Emperor) were ninjas, meaning that they had uber skillz. The ninja-hunting obviously shows that the ninja were so pro, they had to be hunted for the others to survive. However, only other, better ninjas (e.g. the daiymos and shoguns) can kill ninjas.

"Though typically classified as assassins, many of the ninja were warriors in all senses. In Stephen K. Hayes's book, Mystic Arts of the Ninja, Hattori Hanzo, one of the most well-known ninja, is depicted in armor similar to that of a samurai. Hayes also says that those who ended up recording the history of the ninja were typically those within positions of power in the military dictatorships, and that students of history should realize that the history of the ninja was kept by observers writing about their activities as seen from the outside."

Check out there armaments:
Camoflage: Usually Dark colored garments for night time attacks, but could also be white for snow combat.
Boots: "Ninja boots (jika-tabi), like much of the rest of Japanese footwear from the time, have a split-toe design that improves gripping and wall/rope climbing. They are soft enough to be virtually silent. Ninja also attached special spikes to the bottoms of the boots called ashiko."
Gun powder, Smoke bombs, and cannons. (check wikipedia :P)

"Even land mines were constructed that used a mechanical fuse or a lit, oil-soaked string. Secrets of making desirable mixes of gunpowder were strictly guarded in many ninja clans."

Plus Katanas and other swords/throwing knives/other sharp weapons of death.

Also, to further prove my point.

Batman_Ninja.jpg


BATMAN WAS A NINJA! Top that, Pirates.
 
oooo did you just say that naruto was a ninja? he wears a orange jump suit...he should be a pirate......and you pirates can not beat a ninja...ninjas didnt buy guns from pirates because they knew they were loud and crap...one shot...highly inaccurate...where a crossbow was quiet and faster to load :P
 
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Ninjas would not waste pirates. The european "pirates" were why the Japanese realized their ninja-samurai system was crap and lead to them modernizing to a more european style of combat. You silly ninjas were paying the pirates so you could get guns and cannons.

I'm telling ya, research. Ninjas were not as great as you all think.
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Lol. Let us see what wikipedia has to say:

"The ninja use of stealth tactics against better-armed enemy samurai does not mean that they were limited to espionage and undercover work: that is simply where their actions most notably differed from the more accepted tactics of samurai. Their weapons and tactics were partially derived from the need to conceal or defend themselves quickly from samurai, which can be seen from the similarities between many of their weapons and various sickles and threshing tools used at the time.

"Ninjas as a group first began to be written about in 15th century feudal Japan as martial organizations predominately in the regions of Iga and Koga of central Japan, though the practice of guerrilla warfare and undercover espionage operations goes back much further.

"At this time, the conflicts between the clans of daimyo that controlled small regions of land had established guerrilla warfare and assassination as a valuable alternative to frontal assault. Since Bushido, the Samurai Code, forbade such tactics as dishonorable, a daimyo could not expect his own troops to perform the tasks required; thus, he had to buy or broker the assistance of ninja to perform selective strikes, espionage, assassination, and infiltration of enemy strongholds. (Stephen Turnbull).

"There are a few people and groups of people regarded as having been potential historical ninja from approximately the same time period. It is rumored that some of the higher-ranking daimyos and shoguns were in fact ninja, and exploited their role as ninja-hunters to deflect suspicion and obscure their participation in the 'dishonorable' ninja methods and training.

See, some of the daimyos (clan leaders and lesser generals) and shoguns (the supreme military rulers of Japan, second only to the Emperor) were ninjas, meaning that they had uber skillz. The ninja-hunting obviously shows that the ninja were so pro, they had to be hunted for the others to survive. However, only other, better ninjas (e.g. the daiymos and shoguns) can kill ninjas.

"Though typically classified as assassins, many of the ninja were warriors in all senses. In Stephen K. Hayes's book, Mystic Arts of the Ninja, Hattori Hanzo, one of the most well-known ninja, is depicted in armor similar to that of a samurai. Hayes also says that those who ended up recording the history of the ninja were typically those within positions of power in the military dictatorships, and that students of history should realize that the history of the ninja was kept by observers writing about their activities as seen from the outside."

Check out there armaments:
Camoflage: Usually Dark colored garments for night time attacks, but could also be white for snow combat.
Boots: "Ninja boots (jika-tabi), like much of the rest of Japanese footwear from the time, have a split-toe design that improves gripping and wall/rope climbing. They are soft enough to be virtually silent. Ninja also attached special spikes to the bottoms of the boots called ashiko."
Gun powder, Smoke bombs, and cannons. (check wikipedia :P)

"Even land mines were constructed that used a mechanical fuse or a lit, oil-soaked string. Secrets of making desirable mixes of gunpowder were strictly guarded in many ninja clans."

Plus Katanas and other swords/throwing knives/other sharp weapons of death.

Also, to further prove my point.

Batman_Ninja.jpg


BATMAN WAS A NINJA! Top that, Pirates.






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Yes, and it's worth noting that NONE of that crap gives them the ability to beat pirates. Did it ever say they were used for invading say, pirate ships? No, all the ninjas were good for was screwing with the other ninja and samurai. Let's say one japanese warlord was pissed off at another, or was about to backstab them by allying themselves with someone else. Yeah, you could send the ninja to do the dirty work and sneak into a town to rob and/or kill someone, but even then there's chance they'd get discovered and die, it doesn't say anything about how successful ninja missions actually were. Why do you think they were trained to kill themselves if they got caught? Because they got caught.. You should send pirates instead, who would burn the whole town to the ground and do it in a much more destructive, much more awesome way than ninjas.

Pirates rule.
 
Batman isn't a real person...pirates were...

Pirates > ninjas...better arsenal, better legends, better movies and awesome ships. Beat that, you Ninjas.
 
Do Space Pirates fix into the category of Pirates?

If so then a Legendary Ninja doesn't have a hope in hell against a Legendary Pirate.
 
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