suggestion: new comp vs upgrade

Should I:

  • Upgrade my current system.

    Points: 12 48.0%
  • Buy a new system.

    Points: 7 28.0%
  • Stop complaining and deal with what I got.

    Points: 6 24.0%

  • Total voters
    25

Terris Orian

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I'm sure there have been tons of threads like this but I'm building a new system in which money is no option (ok so money is always an option so under $5k -$6k) I don't want an Alienware because I can do better then that building my own system. Cooling will be Peltier (aka ThermoElectricCell) assisted liquid cooling and I have already worked those details out. I had considered using some of the parts from my current computer as they are not that old. what build you guys suggest.

Current system
CPU: intel Q6600 g0 @ 3.2GHz (from 2.4GHz)
Memory: 4x, 1 gig each Patriot DDR2 PC9600 @800mhz (<-I will explain why this is so low)
MoBo: EVGA nforce 680i A1 revision
Graphics: XFX 8800gtx @ stock w/ stock cooling
HDD: 2x, Western Digital Caviar 500gig each
Power Supply: ThermalTake tough power 1000watt
CPU cooler: CoolIt Freezone (currently as 'jerry rigged' as it can be after a pump replacement)
Case: ThermalTake Armor
Keyboard: saitek eclipse (this thing has seen better days)
Mouse and monitor: both are here to stay logitech mx518 and 22in AOC LCD

Here is the deal I realize that my current system is pretty darn good and will play most games no problem but I'm kind of fed up with it for the following reasons:

Memory- has to run at 2.3v but my Mobo only supports up to 2.1v before it fries the memory controller. I currently have 2 sticks in because my computer wont post with 4 unless I clock the sticks down and, overvolt my MCP a bit. Even so the Computer has problems posting with 4 sticks anyways so I usually end up never shutting my computer down (especially now that I have final projects for school to complete and cant afford the down time)

MoBo- wont post because of memory (as stated above) but has so many other problems. EVGA tech support is awesome but I don't want to have to keep RMAing the thing.

Case- completely my fault for getting a full tower but this thing is HUGE and heavy, taking it to LANs is a pain butt but is doable. Not too happy with the case, but a case is a case really.

Cpu cooling- while my current unit works great but it is RIGGED and will probably fall apart spewing fluid everywhere eventually. Its also just barely powerful enough to cool my CPU at 3.2 under full load any higher clocks and my system overheats after 30mins or so.

You guys think I should just swap the ram and upgrade the graphics/processor in my current system or buy a new system. If you answer is buy a new system post the parts you suggest. If not then give me some feed back as to why.




So far this looks like it and Im only at $2,200


ASUS Rampage II Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard


Note: Benchmarks put this one on par with the EVGA x58 classified JV suggested and its got some nice features but one down side is that it doesn't support liquid cooling out of the box like the Gigabyte GA-EX58 Extreme Motherboard Endiment suggested (since I will be liquid cooling)

Kingston HyperX 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Note: I dont think any program plus OS will use even close to 6 gigs and even if it does I can just upgrade to 3 more sticks.

Intel Core i7 940 Nehalem 2.93GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
Note: With the i7 940 at $500 less then the i7 965, the 965 seems like a waste of money

GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 896 (448 x 2)-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported
Note: its tempting to go sli but again this might just be a waste of money.
Edit: k I kind of thought so, I wont go with sli then

2x Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s

P.S. JV what do you think about this because in the end it will cost just as much as the cooling setup you suggested and this is peltier (ThermoElectricCell) cooled http://www.coolitsystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=43&Itemid=5 or this one http://www.coolitsystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3&Itemid=5 in my experiance CoolIt has made some good stuff and this is their top of the line and comes with pump and blocks; granted its not as fun to buy stuff pre assembled but I would probably swap out the blocks on these.
 
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Your budget's $5000? Seriously?

Core i7 920 ($290) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202

Asus P6T Deluxe V2 ($290) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131365

2 x OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 ($220) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227365 - For a total of 12GB

XFX HD 4870 X2 ($415) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150349

Intel X25-M 80GB SATA Internal SSD ($363) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167005

2 x Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB ($240) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284

Samsung SyncMaster 305T 30" ($1000) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001098

Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit OEM ($100) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488

Total so far: $3018

That leaves you with ~$2000 spare...buy a laptop with that money. Use that for your LANs. Or save it up for future upgrades.

Keep the Tt ToughPower.

Case is a personal preference. Look here for ideas: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=989658&page=38

You've also got a $5000 'budget', ditch the 22inch and don't look at anything less than 30inch.
 
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First, the 965 is overpriced, and in terms of value for money, pathetic. He may be on a high budget, but that doesn't mean buy the most expensive thing on offer when the performance increase isn't worth the price difference.

Second, that motherboard isn't even out yet. It's also overpriced as well. Oh look, red and black, it looks 'cool', i'll be suckered into buying it. Not to mention all those superfluous features. 300% more gold in the CPU socket. Wow, that'll bump up my ridiculous overclock by an additional 67Mhz. :rolleyes:

Third, his current 1000w PSU is more than enough. There's no reason why he has to blow another $370 on a second PSU.

And lastly, from HardOCP's article on 2 x GTX 295:

"Quad SLI currently has no value. The GeForce GTX 295’s are pricey; still at $499. That means Quad SLI will cost you no less than $1000. That extra $500 is not going to buy you a better gaming experience with today’s games. Even F.E.A.R. 2 which was just released last week can already be run at its highest possible settings at 2560x1600 with just one GTX 295 or one 4870 X2. There aren't any gaming reasons to invest in Quad SLI OR 4870 X2 CrossFireX currently."

$3000 on a desktop, $1000-1500 on a 'gaming' laptop. Another $500 spare for future upgrades.
 
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There is no sense in upgrading from your system just yet, let the market prices for Core i7 lower some before you run out and buy, also I believe I've heard that the Mobos with the new socket have room for improvements.

Last part: Your current system is all fine.
 
There is no sense in upgrading from your system just yet, let the market prices for Core i7 lower some before you run out and buy, also I believe I've heard that the Mobos with the new socket have room for improvements.

Last part: Your current system is all fine.

Yeah I've heard that current chipsets don't have Error Correction for the ram which is odd they wouldn't put it in.
 
To make a computer for $5000 I will actually have to exert some effort here. Get ready to have some fun. But, since you don't like full towers and I'm in a fun mood, I'll make ya two: a full tower and a lanbox.

Full Tower:
Intel Core i7 940 @3.0GHz
OCZ Solid Series 60GB SSD
Western Digital Caviar 1.5TB HDD @7200RPM
Gigabyte GA-EX58 Extreme Motherboard
2x LG DVD Writer
Cooler Master HAF Full-Tower Case
Kingwin Mach 1 1220W Modular PSU
2x Diamond Radeon 4870X2 2GB GDDR5
6GB Corsair Core i7 Dominator DDR3
Thermaltake ProWater Liquid Cooling System

Total: $3025

Little one:
Thermaltake LANBOX mATX case
Asus M3N78 Socket AM2 Motherboard
AMD Phenom II 940 @3.0GHz
Ultra 850W Modular PSU
Diamond Radeon 4870X2 2GB GDDR5
Ultra X-Wind Aluminum CPU Heatsink
Hitachi 1TB HDD @7200RPM
Patriot Extreme 4GB DDR2 RAM
LG DVD Writer

Total: $1260

Look at that. You could buy both.
EDIT: This echoes HardHat's post. Sure you can upgrade the full tower one from here. But at this point your computer is so future proof you will be running games at their max settings for a long time to come.
 
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for 5 grand just build a new one. endiment's rig sounds like the best option. maybe dual GTX 295 instead of Radeon 4870X2 but that is just a personal preference.
 
Seems like what you have is totally fine, but i suggest you wait for prices to drop a bit too.
 
I was wondering that myself (whether to go with ati or and nvidia card) ati cards are quite a bit cheaper and from the bench marks I've seen are only slightly worse (gtx 295 vs radeon hd 4870 x2) so I dont know.
 
Whichever card you choose, they're both good either way, don't bother with SLI or CrossFire.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYyMywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Bottom line, its a waste of $500.

So far this looks like it and Im only at $2,200


ASUS Rampage II Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard


Note: Benchmarks put this one at the top plus its got some nice features one down side is that it doesn't support liquid cooling out of the box like the Gigabyte GA-EX58 Extreme Motherboard Endiment suggested (since I will be liquid cooling)

Kingston HyperX 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Note: I dont think any program plus OS will use even close to 6 gigs and even if it does I can just upgrade to 3 more sticks.

Intel Core i7 940 Nehalem 2.93GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
Note: With the i7 940 at $500 less then the i7 965, the 965 seems like a waste of money

GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 896 (448 x 2)-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported
Note: its tempting to go sli but again this might just be a waste of money.
Edit: k I kind of thought so, I wont go with sli then

2x Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
 
I would say build yourself a new machine since you have that much money. the step up to x58 and i7 will make a big difference in the future.

alright heres my machine it seems like you are looking for something on the same level with it.

this setup cost me roughly 2100 dollars so you wont need to spend close to 5000.

are you completely sure on anything yet? could you list what you are definitely gonna get or have so we can concentrate on certain parts?

Case: Thermaltake Armor+ ESA Edition
PSU: Corsair 1000w Modular psu
Mobo: Asus Rampage II Extreme
CPU: i7 Nehlem 920 (oc'ed to 2.93 Ghz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master V8
Memory: 6GB Corsair dominator DDR3 RAM @1600MHz /w cooler fan
Optical Drive: LG Super Combo drive(cd, dvd, hd dvd, blu ray)
Hard Drive(primary): 300 GB Western Digital velociraptor 10,000 RPM HDD
Hard Drive(Secondary): 160GB 7200RPM WD Caviar (windows 7 64-bit)
and 10,000RPM WD Raptor 150GB (for games)
Video Card: MSI 4870 X2 OC edition
Sound Card: X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro Series
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit
 
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First, the 965 is overpriced, and in terms of value for money, pathetic. He may be on a high budget, but that doesn't mean buy the most expensive thing on offer when the performance increase isn't worth the price difference.

Second, that motherboard isn't even out yet. It's also overpriced as well. Oh look, red and black, it looks 'cool', i'll be suckered into buying it. Not to mention all those superfluous features. 300% more gold in the CPU socket. Wow, that'll bump up my ridiculous overclock by an additional 67Mhz. :rolleyes:

Third, his current 1000w PSU is more than enough. There's no reason why he has to blow another $370 on a second PSU.

And lastly, from HardOCP's article on 2 x GTX 295:

"Quad SLI currently has no value. The GeForce GTX 295?s are pricey; still at $499. That means Quad SLI will cost you no less than $1000. That extra $500 is not going to buy you a better gaming experience with today?s games. Even F.E.A.R. 2 which was just released last week can already be run at its highest possible settings at 2560x1600 with just one GTX 295 or one 4870 X2. There aren't any gaming reasons to invest in Quad SLI OR 4870 X2 CrossFireX currently."

$3000 on a desktop, $1000-1500 on a 'gaming' laptop. Another $500 spare for future upgrades.

That mobo is specially designed for overclocking, so the best cpu for overclocking would be the 965 because you have an unlocked multiplier. And it's so expensive because all the materials are HIGH quality.
 
Ok, for the liquid cooling system, I would take this one :

Danger Den Black Ice GTX Xtreme 360 Radiator - Black - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5...lack_Ice_GTX_Xtreme_360_Radiator_-_Black.html

Koolance Inline Reservoir - 200mm (No Fittings) (TNK-200) - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7...ne_Reservoir_-_200mm_No_Fittings_TNK-200.html

Innovatek Eheim HPPS i High Power 12V Water Pump (501280) - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6..._HPPS_i_High_Power_12V_Water_Pump_501280.html

Feser Tube Active UV Hose - 3/8" ID (1/2"OD) Anti-Kink Tubing - UV Orange - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7..._38_ID_12OD_Anti-Kink_Tubing_-_UV_Orange.html

EK Supreme Universal CPU Liquid Cooling Block - Acetal ( LGA1366 Included ) - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8...Cooling_Block_-_Acetal_LGA1366_Included_.html

EK Rampage II Extreme Northbridge / Southbridge Chipset Liquid Cooling Block - Acetal (EK-FB RE2-Acetal ) - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8...Cooling_Block_-_Acetal_EK-FB_RE2-Acetal_.html

3x Noctua NF-S12-800 120mm Fan (35 CFM) - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5378/fan-266/Noctua_NF-S12-800_120mm_Fan_35_CFM.html

Feser One Non Conductive Cooling Fluid - 1000 ml - UV Blue - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6...1000_ml_-_UV_Blue_F1-0001.html?tl=g30c103s702

optional:
Danger Den DD-GTX295 VGA Full Card Liquid Cooling Block - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8...id_Cooling_Block_GPU-6850.html?tl=g30c311s860


You can always change the reservoir and the tubing, Also when you buy from that shop don't forget to choose the right fittings ;) (3/8" compression)

Note: I didn't use newegg simple because they don't have enough watercooling stuff.
 
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