Cloak and Dagger. Read this and then try to not be paranoid.
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How so? The fact that I keep getting into the enemy's base over and over and over again and over again and keep killing the enemy snipers over and over and over again without getting caught conflicts with your argument.
well.. when i saw a cloak and dagger moving.. it was quite visible. like, half cloaked. which conflicts with your argument.but maybe they just ran out. or, you are sneakier then the spy i found.
When the stealth bar is emptied using the C&D you remain cloaked, but you look like you do when you're bumped or shot while cloaked using the normal watch. In essence, when you are out of stealth juice (the stealth bar is empty) you are 'half cloaked' like you saw. Otherwise your stealthed as normal.
It's quite difficult not to feel like God using it. It's very easy to actually spy on the enemy team now.
Not worried at all. Spies arn't really that much of a threat against me. No people from long distances? They are more of a threat.
I spin around with my pyro all the time pratically. I'm already paranoid (or good) enough with my pyro to not be scared of spies. Only heavies with medics and soldiers with medics I'm scared of.
Scared of as in, It's going to be challenging for me to axe both of you.
I spin around with my pyro all the time pratically. I'm already paranoid (or good) enough with my pyro to not be scared of spies. Only heavies with medics and soldiers with medics I'm scared of.
Scared of as in, It's going to be challenging for me to axe both of you.
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I've yet to meet one Spy that can outsmart Rocket.
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To be honest, after playing a lot of spy, Dead Ringer is waaaaay better.
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Surprise, the spy is me!
Confound it! Why must everyone make groundless declarations! If one is truly right then the evidence to support his claim should be easily acquirable! So prove your argument my good man.
yeah they already have that, its called the dead ringer
anyway i want my CaD so i can try this, it sounds like fun to use
Funny thing is though, fully charged headshots are lethal shots, and the dead ringer only works on non-lethal hits.
I just got the cloak and dagger (Thank you Random Number God!). Here are my first impressions.
This is actually really good for me and my playstyle. Honestly, the cloak lasts longer running than I thought it would. Fellow spies, even with the cloak and dagger, it is not necessary to travel EVERYWHERE while cloaked. Honestly, it helps me escape better as well. Most of the time I only get found out when I'm forced to decloak and someone finds me. With this? No longer a problem. Jump on top of some scenery and almost no one will be able to find you.
You also get the advantage of being proactive. With the dead ringer, you can certainly infiltrate if your good at sneaking w/o cloak, but that's hardly the perfect option. Ultimately, those with the dead ringer depend on their enemy to dictate how and when they're going to cloak.
I've found the Cloak and Dagger is the superior option for me, as I have plenty of experience with escaping pursuit using cloak. The dead ringer may be one "Get out of Death Free" card every 16 seconds, but some good use of the Cloak and Dagger removes any need of it for me.
This is actually really good for me and my playstyle. Honestly, the cloak lasts longer running than I thought it would. Fellow spies, even with the cloak and dagger, it is not necessary to travel EVERYWHERE while cloaked. Honestly, it helps me escape better as well. Most of the time I only get found out when I'm forced to decloak and someone finds me. With this? No longer a problem. Jump on top of some scenery and almost no one will be able to find you.
You also get the advantage of being proactive. With the dead ringer, you can certainly infiltrate if your good at sneaking w/o cloak, but that's hardly the perfect option. Ultimately, those with the dead ringer depend on their enemy to dictate how and when they're going to cloak.
I've found the Cloak and Dagger is the superior option for me, as I have plenty of experience with escaping pursuit using cloak. The dead ringer may be one "Get out of Death Free" card every 16 seconds, but some good use of the Cloak and Dagger removes any need of it for me.
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Actually I am more afraid of the dead ringer. I by nature shoot every corner that I come across, but if ANYONE dies in the first shot I get nervous. The dead ringer has got me so worked up that I am starting to be able to know how much HP an enemy has.
Funny thing is though, fully charged headshots are lethal shots, and the dead ringer only works on non-lethal hits.
Actually... the dead ringer even works on fully-charged headshots and backstabs. You only take 10% of the damage.
You can survive getting hit by trains and the sawblades at the new arena map.
You can also survive lethal fall damage and even 16 stickies exploding at once (usually). Also, kill taunts.
The downsides to it are after 6 seconds, you glow like you're uber and make a very loud uncloak noise. And it takes a bit to recharge for a second use. And you can't cloak normally. And everyone is looking for dead ringer spies right now. And pyros still can set your newly cloaked form on fire.
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Mind you, this was pre-nerf.
Apart from the Dead Ringer essentially giving you a free pass from a stray headshot or crit rocket, it's more of a mindgame than the C&D is. If you can time it right it can look incredibly realistic and let you get behind the front lines without being detected, which is the point. More importantly, you can get behind the front lines with them being completely spy oblivious because they think they just killed you.
Let's say we're on Payload. Your team is pushing the cart. You are a Heavy. KART VILL NOT PUSH SELF. So I run up to you with the DR and you shoot me and I "die". You are now thinking VAT SICK MAN SEND BAAAAAABIES TO FIGHT. Meanwhile, I am now behind you. Do you expect me to be behind you after you just shot me out of thin air? No, of course not. That's ridiculous. I am a spy, not a magician. How could I get- *stab*
Post-nerf, however, the thing is beyond useless. I'm using the regular cloak now. Much less sucky.
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I can't find the exact numbers, but basically it takes twice as long to regenerate and you drain cloak twice as fast. Useless now.
