Question About MAUL Verification

[Morse]

I remembered when MAUL first came out I was still eG. I was kicked several times for some weird reasons "Your tag is a violation......" and I knew I was eG and got verified on MAUL.

That was a long time ago.

It came to my mind again about the verification recently due to many impersonator, especially the e. Admin Impersonator is easy to take care of but fake e is hard to find out unless we do a check on them when we found them misbehave.

For example, this so called e memeber SnowBall free-killed every one on the CSS Jail Server last night and was banned. I could not find his record on our site (typing his name and also his steam_id). In the past few weeks I also encountered a couple cases with these "e". They all appeared to be "YET-APPROVAL E". They were still awaiting for approval by DL / A|R.

So this verification came to my mind again. I don't remember exactly but I thought we also have e verify on MAUL? If we didn't for whatever reason (I thought we did in the past), there is one suggestion:

Like I said, I used to get kick out for "violation of tag" - weird enough that I was an eG and wore the right tag. This auto-kick is a good tool. I think we should also work on the e verification. Basically, add a script to auto-kick those who did not pass the tag verification - all fake e, all fake eg and ego...

I know it's hard work for the programmer but I think it's a good idea. I have encounter at least 5 fake e in the past few weeks on CSS and DoD:S. Either they were yet-approved / never submit an app (just faking it)....

 

[KhaoticOrd3r]

I think that it wouldn't really matter that much, an e is pretty much just another player that we hold to a higher standard. So if they are intentionally faking it and they mess up wouldn't they just get kicked more easily? So really they aren't doing themselves any favors by having a fake e-tag. If they comment that they haven't been promoted and have been in for a while. Then we can look for more details at their account, and help them along.

I, personally, think an auto kick for an =(e)= would be a little much, and might change someone's mind about joining. They might have put in the application and just mistakenly put it on prematurely. As an admin we want to keep order, and a mature gaming environment. I think this is actively looking for something to admin, versus waiting for trouble to arise.

I can't see it becoming a huge problem. the usual W/K/B protocol should work just fine.

 

[Darth]

Yea, it doesnt really matter for e's as they are not admins and they are just recruits, they will be found out eventually.

I would say not to specifically look out for "fake" e's.

 

[jaxory]

While I think an auto-kick and such is out of hand for this, I wouldn't mind being able to see people's forum names linked to their accounts that are MAUL verified when we sm_who like we already show with the Admins.

 

[Havana Club]

=(e)='s actually are supposed to verify with MAUL now, or at least reccomended to. It's not that big of a deal, in my opinion, because as Darth said, we're not really admins and don't need the verification. It would be a big improvement if we all did though, because I'm sure MAUL will be developed into something with features everyone would want to take advantage of.

 

[Mecha Angel]

I think auto kicking for this is actually a good idea as well.

If it is a member who did it prematurely then it will get them to come back and read the rules (which they should have done in the first place) and realize they messed up on it. Might even get them to read the rest of the rules, non? xD

If a member is sporting the tag even if "only" an "e" it still reflects poorly on the clan itself. Not everyone knows the difference between the clan member tags (I didn't until coming here and reading about them) so it still would make the clan look bad in general.

That's just my two cents though. =)

If Maul verification is all that is needed for this to take place, then it should already be happening since we are now required to do so.

 

[!Woodstock!]

The TF2 AR's require MAUL verification before accepting an application.

 

[Morse]

I see the other sides but as you guys pointed out - its easier to just look at sm_who and list membership (where the actual admin will listed with kick, mute, ban xect).

We don't necessarily look after fake e. This is not the objective. Like I said, most of these cases are discovered either via ban request, kick, wrong doing, or just tag violation. This guy I met last night had the wrong tag (without the TM). We psay to ask him fix it. I then took out my MacBook and spent a couple mintues looking for his app and Hls. I kicked him out several times and he finally left and didn't return because he's a fake e. I told him removed it and come back with a proof (meaning either you are a fake e, or come back to contest your kick with a proof). I reported this to the DL and got his permission to do the warn / kick (though no ban).

Either way, whether someone is faking it, or just wearing it before gets his approval because they don't want to read the rules / just mistakenly put it on - forcing all members to use MAUL is a must. Also, the objective is also to make the admin easier while dealing with the pubs.

We have a large community and rarely we have a server without any real and actual e member. I have only seen this just a couple times.

I also have a question on the A|R part. I visited Hls and there is "clan membership" column in the player profile. So beside the check, A|R will add e to the clan membership system? I don't know about the detail.


I don't look for fake e but I always find fake someone wearing e tag. You see this e is a nice and mature player - he just never submit it. But by allowing to see membership on sm_who and maybe to have an auto-kick (because it is linked to the MAUL), I think there is no disadvantage under any circumstances. If someone never submit an app (because he thought by registering on the forum is the same as getting the membership), the A|R can psay him and tell him what to do.

it makes the membership more professional and easier for management.

ps: I see you guys are working on your customize Hls. Why don't we take the time and maybe take my idea on this verification?

 

[king killer]

I dissagree with the auto kick and the trying to find fake e's if you think someone may not be in the clan just look up thier ID on the forums "for anyone who doesn't know just take out the STEAM_ part and you can find him or her. I don't think we need to go through all the trouble for a simple problem

 

[Morse]

In fact by leaving the game (exit to the desktop pressing Windows key) and come back would waste more time than having it done by the system. I am sure we do warn / kick / ban but tag violation (such as without the TM) then I have to go through all that forum.

It will take at least 2 minutes of my time to return to the game....