Counter-Strike Global Offensive Jail Server Map Purge

[MS]

Hi all, currently there are 63 maps on our Jailbreak server. I personally believe that a few of these maps could be removed. This thread is meant to serve as an easy way to read people's opinions on maps they dislike. While there is no objective way to rank maps, I personally have 4 criteria: Visual Appeal, Gameplay, Balance, and Popularity. When suggesting maps that should be removed, please try to keep these in mind.

Visual Appeal
While not entirely important, visual design and looks of a map are important. Flat, boring, undecorated walls, lack of props, overly simple rooms, etc. Maps that are inconsistent with their design or are lacking in an overall theme can be plain and boring to play on. Aesthetics are just that, aesthetics, but they do play an important role in map design.

Gameplay
Quite possibly the most important map aspect. Maps should have a reasonable amount of games that are easy to learn with sufficient depth. While not necessary, inventive and custom games are usually interesting. Keeping in mind travel time, navigation, winners/losers, and the "1st game rule" are also important.

Balance
Balance is an important part of gameplay. A map can be amazing, but if the Ts are always rebelling then it won't be fun for the CTs. If Ts are unable to rebel or the CTs are able to shutdown rebelling with ease, then it won't be fun for the Ts. An ideal balance requires both teams to play equally; skill should be a dominating factor.

Popularity
Popularity can be a sign of quality. This factor is more so seeing what the community enjoys rather than what the community thinks of maps. A terrible map might be popular just because it is terrible. An easy to rebel on map that is just constant rebelling may be a bad map, but people might vote for it simply because they like rebelling. Regardless, popular maps are popular because people like playing on them, and this is an important factor to consider.

With all of this being said, please respond with maps that you believe should be removed due to lack of quality. You can see my personal rankings here.

P.S:
"If a map isn't played then just keep it, it's not doing any harm"

Bad maps that aren't played don't belong on our servers. "It's not played", so why do we have it? It is better to go to a good map than have to RTV off a bad one. I personally believe that our overall map quality is decent, with a few negative outliers. These maps should go; maps faciliate gameplay, bad maps lead to bad gameplay.

 

[kuantum]

I've always said even if a map is total garbage town, it should be kept on unless it breaks the server having it.

I'm still sticking with that today. I don't know why we should be removing maps when we could be adding more.

 

[MS]

jb_obama_v6_beta
Obama is a climb simulator map, unironically. I strongly believe a large amount of the popularity of this map is the name and ease of rebelling on this map. It brings out toxicity, is extremely easy to rebel on, and has minimal games. The corridors on this map are dead man zones, the cell teleport is easy to access, the flashbang + vents combo is consistent and extremely difficult to prevent. Overall, this map is only fun as a T.

jb_dust2_final2_ego
Dust2 is minimally played. It is most infamous for the LJ secret that effectively ends the round. Many prisoners get easy access to vents, and CTs get slack for pursuing or watching these vents. Gameplay primarily consists of deathcrate, climb, and deathrun. If you're lucky you get to play wipeout. There is a lack of quality, games, and it is too easy to rebel on this map.

jb_carceris_021
Another map that is almost never played, and frankly for good reason. Half of this map is boring and/or broken. Armory is extremely easy to access once one prisoner is inside. Camping medic is absurdly viable. Games are broken or hard to access.

jb_pipeline_v2
This map is not bad in any one specific area. However, we have a similar map by the same author. The games on this map have a high tendency to disrupt the gameplay (colors kills many players very quickly, deathcrate is very hard to control with how many die quickly). Overall we have a better replacement for this map already on our servers.

 

[Nekkk]

Well to be honest, some maps aren’t played because we don’t have the opportunity to play them at all… I can understand that several maps are more loved than the others (and you’re going to tell me because they are better or the majority love them) but I just remember that, during the first sessions I was playing on the JB, it was always the same maps (VIP, Minecraft, clouds, quake, undertale, etc..) and I kind of ended to love them. Because it was the most played and they were not that bad. And then, we started (very rarely) to play other maps not played a lot and I was like « but why are we playing always the same maps that not really that good in comparison of this one, I don’t get it »

For example, I have so much fun (very very much) on jb_paradise_island or jb_kingphoenix than spyvsspy or VIPinTheMix. More and better games, well-made and not T or CT sided.

So, for me, what makes a map be loved just depend of the amount of time we play it to be honest (in general). And also the quality of the map obviously. But you can’t tell me that a map like VIPinthemix is as good as Jb_legobels for example. I used to love clouds back in the days for real because we were playing it a lot of times so I started to appreciate it and try to « be good » and have fun on this map. But now, I can totally tell you that I hate it so much. And then, when we play a map rarely played like jb_canyon or jb_oasis, I appreciate playing on the JB.

And also, as a EU players, we use to play other maps than the top 10 most played (when there is like 10 players on the server)… And it’s really cool like that.

So all these words to tell that we definitely need a system allowing the rotation of maps or the temporary map ban from the map pool to give a chance to other maps to be played. Already made a thread about that in the suggestion

 

[MS]

Nekkk I 100% agree that there are some underplayed and underappreciated maps. The point of this thread isn't to get rid of unpopular maps, it's to get rid of bad maps. I personally have a few maps that I think are underplayed, and I definitely want to see us play them more.

 

[Blame David]

I like jb_sandypicnic_ego

 

[Daddy Succ]

Honestly, the only map currently in rotation that’s truly bad and should be removed is Dust 2. The rest of the maps, while some bad, don’t really need to be removed. Their .1% pick rate shows they aren’t popular but why do they need to be removed? Sometimes playing an old map that’s rarely played is fun and a nice change of pace.

 

[Moto Moto]

Obama needs to be removed as fast as possible, it's a boring looking map with only about 4 games that are being played. It's just climb (easy, hard and invis), red light green light, deathrun and the price is right. Roulette is never played, soccer is never played. Just a bad map that is only played because people like to troll and pick it because it is named Obama.

 

[benji]

fully support removing obama, if there are more than like 30 players you are forced to play climb unless you want to try getting through a tiny hallway without dying

 

[Nekkk]

Nekkk I 100% agree that there are some underplayed and underappreciated maps. The point of this thread isn't to get rid of unpopular maps, it's to get rid of bad maps. I personally have a few maps that I think are underplayed, and I definitely want to see us play them more.

Bad maps according to who though ? Because for example, I do really like carceris (even if some games have to be fixed) but it’s a cool map with a lot of vents and way to rebel. And if you know the map, playing CT isn’t impossible

 

[MS]

Bad maps according to who though ? Because for example, I do really like carceris (even if some games have to be fixed) but it’s a cool map with a lot of vents and way to rebel. And if you know the map, playing CT isn’t impossible

A general consensus. This thread is a discussion and your concern is a great example of such. I know that some members like carceris, and I'm sure the CS Leadership team (and I) will refer to this thread when considering which maps to remove.

 

[waddles]

If maps are either completely broken and are known to crash the server or have other major bugs on the map then it should be removed. If maps are known to depop the server heavily then they should be removed. Other than that I do not see a reason to be purging the map pool right now. I think it would be a good idea though to bring this back up during the next CS:GO meeting and get some more feedback.

 

[mouse pouch]

zzz whos gonna stop us from editing obama L creator

 

[waddles]

zzz whos gonna stop us from editing obama L creator

He doesn't have any grounds to stop whatever editing would happen. He cannot make money off of selling the rights of a map that is using Valve software. That was like a year and half ago when he messaged this and people still edited the map.

(edit: I mad like obama though but I can see why people hate it.)

 

[Jacko]

jb_hogwarts_fixed - Fun and great map thats Harry Potter themed and made by the same guy who made jb_marioworld. This map should temporarily be removed as it tends to kill the population mainly because of unplayable or bugged games. Map should be purged until it gets an update for Monopoly Board, Race, Xtreme climb. There's a couple other updates the map could use.

jb_dust2_final2_ego - Personally speaking this map isnt as good as hogwarts but its name grabs a lot of attention. There is an initial decent population before the server dwindles down. The map is chatoic, T sided, and can use some touch ups in the map games. I think it should be purged until it gets a rework.

jb_obama - Unbiased take here, screw this map. Purge it till it gets a proper update. The map is heavily monotonous. It was made back when jb was a different game than what it is today. Our current rules and population makes this map sad to play. Again, this is a zero-opinionated take.

I'll pay this dude for the:

creation, redistribution, and hosting of a non-authentic version of JB_OBAMA.

For all that is good please kill this map with the holiest of fires.

 

[mouse pouch]

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He doesn't have any grounds to stop whatever editing would happen. He cannot make money off of selling the rights of a map that is using Valve software. That was like a year and half ago when he messaged this and people still edited the map.

(edit: I mad like obama though but I can see why people hate it.)

already remaking LULE

 

[santa]

zzz whos gonna stop us from editing obama L creator

me

 

[blank_dvth]

Get jb_obama the absolute heck off of the server, please for the love of god.

The others, meh, wouldn't mind if they were purged or not

 

[CT 5555]

I see nobody has talked about spy v spy in this thread yet.

I think it checks negative for all the criteria.

1. It lacks any visual appeal completely, the entire map (besides outside) is grey.

2. Lacks a good variety of engaging games. 90% of the time climb (trash climb no matter which one it is) or deathcrate are played first. Total of 11 (I think) games, none very difficult or original. It is also difficult to navigate the map since it is so small (think climb, having to put the Ts in there and then run in guns blazing to hopefully not get bombed, or brining the Ts outside through the tiny, curved hallway).

3. Arguably one of the most unbalanced maps on the server with vents that go directly to armory. The entire time the map is played is usually a rebel fest.

4. Definitely a popular map (its in the top 10 played according to game.me) probably because its easy to rebel on. If you like this map for any other reason than to rebel, I'd love to know what that reason is.


That said, obama needs to go.

Dust wouldn't be so bad if if had more games.

What's carceris?

Cant remember the last time I have played pipeline.

 

[Daddy Succ]

Obama will never be removed straight up. While I agree the map is from a time when JB was quite different, it still gets voted fairly frequently and its loved for its chaos. A re-work would be nice but I still think the original obama will forever stay

Also pretty sure @DDZ ZioNeX has a strange love hate thing with the map