The Death of Jail and You!

[Enforce]

Implementing more rules only creates more situations where people break them.

As Ill Legend says, it's not the rules, it's the people. No matter how many rules you put in someone will always want to break them.

If a warden just makes the Ts sit the whole round, then tell them, "Hey, man, do something else! They've been sitting there doing trivia all round long. What's the point of doing this every round?"

Rules are meant to retain people actions not to change them.

 

[JayFlip]

Regarding evilbear's points about rules not applying to you,

Wardens, or any other CT, or even T's: If you see
a) gun planting in cells
b) primary planting
c) planting after "no planting" order has been given, don't simply let it pass or say "why did you do that?"

Use admin chat to report the offender. Unlike STs, etc. these are rules, not guidelines. Whenever I see it, I don't call the person out, I simply admin chat it and move on. If I'm a T and somebody gives me a gun in cell, Thanks for the gun, but I'm still reporting you.

 

[PhaseXero]

Implementing more rules only creates more situations where people break them.

As Ill Legend says, it's not the rules, it's the people. No matter how many rules you put in someone will always want to break them.

If a warden just makes the Ts sit the whole round, then tell them, "Hey, man, do something else! They've been sitting there doing trivia all round long. What's the point of doing this every round?"

Rules are meant to retain people actions not to change them.

I respectfully disagree with everything you have just said.

"As Ill Legend says, it's not the rules, it's the people. No matter how many rules you put in someone will always want to break them."

Yes, but that's at least better than having soft rules where people can continue doing the asinine things they do now.

We have real guidelines that people can follow. You think by telling people to do something else actually works? People just ignore you. It doesn't work.

"Rules are meant to retain people actions not to change them."
I would like to point out to the rules about cellphones while driving. People have been told time and time again to not do it as it kill people, but do they listen? No.

Suggestions this time aren't going to be the magical solution.

Edit:
I just thought about your point a bit more. Many wardens when told that they are running trivia too often // being boring simply continue what they are doing.

How can we fix this? How can we shape our comments and suggestions so we can actually change behaviour?

The problem is that we can't talk over the warden and often times the warden isn't able to read chat because they have to make sure the jail cell is being run properly.

 

[WinterFresh]

Agreed 100%.

 

[Saeten]

I agree with the statement about only picking pubbers. This only makes our community look immature and holds bad feedback about the community.

 

[JayFlip]

The problem is that we can't talk over the warden and often times the warden isn't able to read chat because they have to make sure the jail cell is being run properly.

This has always been a problem, it is not because they can't read it. It's because they won't. It isn't hard to talk and still notice chat. It doesn't take that much brain power. There are times where I think I'm the only Warden, or even CT at all that reads chat. And at times, the only T. There have been far too many occurances where I have been telling the warden something (i.e. You cannot force us to do that). All other T's have followed said order, the warden is looking at me, nothing else is happening cause they are waiting on me, nobody is using mic, and nobody is chatting. I will be spamming chat telling them they cannot do it (due to rules), and they STILL don't see the chat.

I've also had times where I say the warden's name, they say "what?" and i have the message up 2 seconds later, and they still miss it.
It seems the only things in chat that will be read 100% of the time are NO DEAL and CHIRPIN'S GOT A GUN. Even trivia answers get missed.

Too many wardens just disregard chat completely.

 

[PhaseXero]

I think the only thing we can do is to remind them check chat when they can. It is incredibly difficult though when Ts are rebelling // moving Ts around to check chat.

This brings us back to Enfiorce's point about suggestions. How can we make suggestions to the warden if we can't talk over warden (when they are giving said boring activities) and they don't/can't read chat?

 

[JayFlip]

This brings us back to Enfiorce's point about suggestions. How can we make suggestions to the warden if we can't talk over warden (when they are giving said boring activities) and they don't/can't read chat?

Warden's do not speak 100% of the time. It's true that many will be stubborn and wish to follow their own plan because they are warden, but in moments of silence you may make a suggestion to the warden. I've seen wardens persuaded to do other activities due to both T chat and mic.

There is also another option..if a T is willing to sacrifice their live for a few rounds, and no "no planting" has been given, plant a friend and shoot the warden so you can take over and do something else.

Giving somebody random a gun works too because wardens are generally the first target, but that may start a full rebellion.

 

[EyelessHunter]

The jail system is about as good as a system where thousands of mortages are bundled together and sold as investments. THE HOUSING MARKET WILL ALWAYS GO UP PEOPLE

 

[PhaseXero]

The jail system is about as good as a system where thousands of mortages are bundled together and sold as investments. THE HOUSING MARKET WILL ALWAYS GO UP PEOPLE

No offense but this thread isn't for you. You've said what you've needed to say and it's time for you to move on. Thanks for your input but it's not helping, especially since your an eGO you should know better than to thread crap.

This also goes for everyone else who wishes to complain. If you don't have anything helpful to say please make your own thread about it and complain in there.

 

[JayFlip]

No offense but this thread isn't for you. You've said what you've needed to say and it's time for you to move on. Thanks for your input but it's not helping, especially since your an eGO you should know better than to thread crap.

This also goes for everyone else who wishes to complain. If you don't have anything helpful to say please make your own thread about it and complain in there.

Just a reminder that this is Division Discussion, and you do not have to be so hostile towards others.

 

[king killer]

You see it doesn't require all this explanation. Just follow this simple equation.

Jail=Jail

J=F

Substitute.

Jail=Fail

/thread

 

[Hoodie]

http://www.edgegamers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51689

No offense but this thread isn't for you. You've said what you've needed to say and it's time for you to move on. Thanks for your input but it's not helping, especially since your an eGO you should know better than to thread crap.

This also goes for everyone else who wishes to complain. If you don't have anything helpful to say please make your own thread about it and complain in there.

Irony. Locked.