Leona isn't released yet
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im going AP with her, deffo. defensive build and runes except for magic pen.
quints: 1 insight, 2 fortitude
marks: full insight
seal: full vitality
glyph: full warding
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52 health, 10 magic pen., 175 hp at lvl 18, 13 magic res.
items:
either sorcerer/ionian/mercury
rylai's,
rod of ages
rabadons
lichbane
abyssal/void staff.
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Have you played her yet? I know he has.
Haha, no he isn't AD Sion is only good if your enemies are stupid and don't kite you. Sion has no dash, he has insane problems with kiting. Leona has a detonating shield, and a single target stun with a dash to make it similar to Sion's cryptic gaze, I doubt Leona will have very high ap ratios.
But no, I am sure your teammates will thank you for playing as one of the seven tanks in the game and not building as a tank. We can always use another AP nuker on a team, who needs tanks?
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doesnt matter if they "kite" you as AD sion, since you will have loads of hp and life steal.
and you are supposed to farm ALOT as AD sion, which gives him his massive health pool making him very very hard to kill.
ye AP sion does a load of damage but can be kited just as easy as AD sion. also you will have less health and therefor be more squishy. i can easily kill an AP sion with 2/3 attacks as most carries. and so far ive had more trouble with people playing AD sion not dying then an AP sion.
also, it indeed doesnt matter if you build a tank as AP or tank these days. there are enough tanky dps or carries that you can build as a tank.
Xin Zhao for example. build trinity force and randuins omen, you will rape their team aswell as easily survive team fights (if you have a normal team that is).
or one of these:
irelia, jarvan, renekton, garen, gangplank, jax, katarina (yes AD kata build in a certain way is very tanky), lee sin, AP morde????, nunu, olaf, pantheon, poppy, rumble, teemo, trundle, udyr, urgot, vlad or warwick .
can all be tanky, and hard to kill. meaning if you got a decent team setup you dont need a tanky champion to go for a tanky build, plus the fact that you can hybrid it out makes your argument invalid ^^ <3
and you are supposed to farm ALOT as AD sion, which gives him his massive health pool making him very very hard to kill.
ye AP sion does a load of damage but can be kited just as easy as AD sion. also you will have less health and therefor be more squishy. i can easily kill an AP sion with 2/3 attacks as most carries. and so far ive had more trouble with people playing AD sion not dying then an AP sion.
also, it indeed doesnt matter if you build a tank as AP or tank these days. there are enough tanky dps or carries that you can build as a tank.
Xin Zhao for example. build trinity force and randuins omen, you will rape their team aswell as easily survive team fights (if you have a normal team that is).
or one of these:
irelia, jarvan, renekton, garen, gangplank, jax, katarina (yes AD kata build in a certain way is very tanky), lee sin, AP morde????, nunu, olaf, pantheon, poppy, rumble, teemo, trundle, udyr, urgot, vlad or warwick .
can all be tanky, and hard to kill. meaning if you got a decent team setup you dont need a tanky champion to go for a tanky build, plus the fact that you can hybrid it out makes your argument invalid ^^ <3
First off, AP Sion farms way faster than AD Sion, you can easily clear an entire minion wave with just your shield, which means you will have more health than an AD Sion.
Secondly, you can't kite AP Sion nearly as much because he only needs to hit you once for his lich bane proc, he has enough time to do that and blow up his shield during his stun. AD Sion on the other hand, needs to be constantly attacking the enemy, he will still need to hit them after his stun wears off, and he has a slow base movement speed and a bad auto attack animation, he won't be able to hit people much, and will die much faster because he has less shield health, and won't be able to lifesteal.
Oh, and someone being tanky does not mean they fulfill the tank role on your team. What people don't understand is that a tank is supposed to be able to keep the enemies away from the valuable targets on your team, and make them attack you instead. When they do that, you need to be able to survive for a long time, you should be the first person in to the fight and the last person out. Leona is a tank, simple as that. You initiate with her E and jump on the enemy carry, stun the enemy carry so your team can focus them, use your shield to soak up some damage, and you have an AOE slow/stun to save your valuable targets and influence the enemy team's positioning. If you build her as an AP here is how it is going to go, you leap in so you can use your close combat stun, stun one person, get immediately nuked down, and die. You had way less of an impact on the teamfight than a Leona that survived, even if you did a tiny bit more damage. The tank Leona will be able to stun more enemies and help her team through the whole fight.
AP Sion doesn't suffer these problems because he can do a quick in and out of a teamfight bursting then waiting for his cooldowns, then leaping in with his steroids when the fight is going his team's way. He doesn't want to stick around in a fight. Leona does.
TLDR: AP Sion is universally accepted as the best Sion build, a tank's job isn't just surviving.
So Leona is out, guess what her AP ratios are? .3 .4 .4 and .8
You have to use all three of her normal skills to get the same amount out of your AP as Sion does with one skill. If you use your ultimate, which is on a 50 second cooldown, you still don't even reach the amount that Sion does.
But yeah, have fun with that ruining your team's game because you wanted to play a dedicated tank as an AP character.
You have to use all three of her normal skills to get the same amount out of your AP as Sion does with one skill. If you use your ultimate, which is on a 50 second cooldown, you still don't even reach the amount that Sion does.
But yeah, have fun with that ruining your team's game because you wanted to play a dedicated tank as an AP character.
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No dash. You're right.. But that's what the stun is for. And Exhaust/Ghost.
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Leona isnt OP... Shes probably the most balanced champ in recent date. with a good build, i saw a leona go 2-4-30 in a 1 hour long game.
Leona is a good tank, she soaks up damage and has alot of CC and slows to separate a team, but she does VERY little damage outside her shield explosion.
In another game, i saw one try to tower dive a Xin Zhao with 200hp, the Xin lived only because he dodged the shield and that she does no damage.
Leona is a good tank, she soaks up damage and has alot of CC and slows to separate a team, but she does VERY little damage outside her shield explosion.
In another game, i saw one try to tower dive a Xin Zhao with 200hp, the Xin lived only because he dodged the shield and that she does no damage.
Have you ever actually played AD Sion? Even ghost and exhaust don't solve his problems. Even ghost and exhaust and red buff don't solve his problems well enough to consider taking him over someone like Xin Zhao, Yi, or Jarvan. Once you go AP Sion you never go back.
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pro player right here, rofl.
anyway, back to leona.
first game with her as AP 21/3/17
second game 7/0/12
third game 11/3/5.
she is viable as AP. the damage output is quite high for a champion that riot designed for tanking. well, even as tank her damage isn't low.
You sound pretty condescending right here. But it is cool, I know your type. You can't think up responses to an argument so you laugh it off as if the person is wrong while offering no explanation or good counter arguments.
At the point when someones says Katarina, Pantheon, and Teemo are acceptable substitutes for having a tank on their team they have lost all credibility anyways, so it doesn't really matter in the end.
If you are getting those types of scores with AP Leona your enemies are seriously terrible, and should be ashamed of themselves. But hey, whatever works at your level of play.
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have YOU ever actually played AD Sion?
you have more movement speed then 95% of all champions so there is no problem getting close. his AD is high enough to 3-5 shot tanks and his stun ability just makes it easier. you can easily get over 300 AD with only half the items.
who to pick? AD sion, jarvan, Yi or Xin Zhao....
that all depends on your personal preferences. they are all viable.
that the the theory. fact is that most of the time you either don't need to or can't do it all due to the fact that either they can get passed you or your team nukes hard etc etc.
also, i can do those same things with Xin Zhao with 2/3 items. it all depends on team play and team composition.
there is a reason Leona's abilities stack from AP, maybe cuz of the fact that they give you the opportunity to go AP????? (else they mightve just deleted that and just give her base damage a huge boost eveytime you upgrade something so you can stick to buying tanking and support items)
atm there is no such thing as a full tank champion. even though they want one, thus creating leona, there still isn't one. they can all be played AP or AD and be viable.
