yeah the sad truth is unless DODS gets the players CSS ot TF2 has valve wont spend the money to dev new stuff for it. granted in my mind a simple facelift with a updated source engine couldnt be that hard, with all the guys there. Plus valve is a billion dollar company they can afford it, im sure they made their dod money back and them some. i like to see DODS given a facelift (new skins, update guns, new maps/classes..like to see different classes having different models). what would be awesome as well if valve absorbed the RNL team and made a profession version of RNL that be awesome.