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Here's a build I have been working on for a few weeks, and was wondering if any of you had anything that I could add to make it a little better?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nMy7ZL


*NOTE* I am trying to keep it as close to $2000 as possible.
 
What do you plan to do with this computer? If you're just a gamer then your rig is WAY overkill.



I want a computer that I know will have no problem with the games currently on the market and some future games that I will be playing (mainly The Division no matter how much bad talk it has been getting) on the highest graphical settings with now difficultly. This, if I do scavenge up enough to get, will be lasting me many, many, many years and will probably be so out of date by the time I will be willing to replace it. So, why not build it overkill why it still is?

I also do some video editing and make my own music (via FL studios), as well do minor graphic designing as a hobby. I have been noticing my computer been struggling lately in all these fields.
 
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I want a computer that I know will have no problem with the games currently on the market and some future games that I will be playing (mainly The Division no matter how much bad talk it has been getting) on the highest graphical settings with now difficultly. This, if I do scavenge up enough to get, will be lasting me many, many, many years and will probably be so out of date by the time I will be willing to replace it. So, why not build it overkill why it still is?

I also do some video editing and make my own music (via FL studios), as well do minor graphic designing as a hobby. I have been noticing my computer been struggling lately in all these fields.

You honestly do not need to buy the highest performing product on the market to get the desired affect. I've been using the same computer for 4 years (All I did was upgrade my graphics card to a 770.) and can still play any game new or old on the highest settings possible while still getting 60+ FPS.

The reason you dont build overkill? Because you dont do anything overkill. Wishing to future proof your system should NOT cost you $2000. It should barely even cost $1500. If you're planning on doing lots of work such as video editing, graphic design, game design, overclocking and much, much more then there is a chance you should go with a $2000 computer. But do you do that sort of stuff? I am guessing not if its just a hobby.

Honestly. Your SSD pricey for what it is. You can get a much better quality (such as the Intel 730) which has the same space for around $80-100 less. You can budget your money so much better while still keeping performance.

Your RAM is most likely fine. You probably wont find the same speed for that price range.

The maximus is complete overkill if you dont do any fiddling with overclocking or running drives in RAID or play around with your computer heavily. A sabretooth http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132132 such as that would suffice just fine. Or even an MSI board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130769 such as that. Saves you money while keeping plenty of future proofing. Also saved you around $50.

I dont like to use liquid coolers. If I were you then I would scrap that idea. You can get a great performing CPU heatsink and fan combo for half or even less than half the price. Noctua makes a CPU heatsink that performs even better than a LOT of water cooled solutions.

As for fans - You're dropping quite a bit of money on the fans here. Why not go for broke then? Noctua makes the quietest fans and probably the longest lasting fans on the market. Highly recommend them and seeing how they are only a couple dollars more than the current ones you chose, you should have no problem fitting that into your budget since you've probably already saved around $200-$300.

You can also save yourself another $150 by going with an i5 instead of an i7 since you dont do major video editing and rendering. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899


All in all. Your rig is overkill for what you do. If you think you're going to keep a computer for over 5-6 years then be my guest and buy what you've got. But do understand that you'll probably be making a mistake. Technology progress's fast. Sadly you missed out on all black friday and cyber monday deals.
 
I want a computer that I know will have no problem with the games currently on the market and some future games that I will be playing (mainly The Division no matter how much bad talk it has been getting) on the highest graphical settings with now difficultly. This, if I do scavenge up enough to get, will be lasting me many, many, many years and will probably be so out of date by the time I will be willing to replace it. So, why not build it overkill why it still is?

I also do some video editing and make my own music (via FL studios), as well do minor graphic designing as a hobby. I have been noticing my computer been struggling lately in all these fields.

What does "video editing" entail?
 
I do tend to agree with a few of your points I been helping him tweak the buid quite a bit. I tend to Disagree with the i5 vs i7 assessment while currently it is true More games are starting to take advantage of multiple cores more and more often. This trend continues the I7 will start shining for gaming.
 
I do tend to agree with a few of your points I been helping him tweak the buid quite a bit. I tend to Disagree with the i5 vs i7 assessment while currently it is true More games are starting to take advantage of multiple cores more and more often. This trend continues the I7 will start shining for gaming.

The i5 and i7 have the same amount of cores? Didnt I have this discussion with someone else recently about what the differences really are between an i5 and i7? There aint much. One will perform greater under certain aspects but for gaming it wont change a thing.

As more games do take advantage it still wont change anything. A 4 core i7 and a 4 core i5 will act the same. Other than hyper-threading, it should perform similar in a gaming scenario and I will be amazingly surprised if you see a difference within the next 3-4 years with current games and future games. I dont see game companies progressing this fast.

It also might start shining at the end of a 5 year cycle. Near the end of its life span in this build.
 
The i5 and i7 have the same amount of cores? Didnt I have this discussion with someone else recently about what the differences really are between an i5 and i7? There aint much. One will perform greater under certain aspects but for gaming it wont change a thing.

As more games do take advantage it still wont change anything. A 4 core i7 and a 4 core i5 will act the same. Other than hyper-threading, it should perform similar in a gaming scenario and I will be amazingly surprised if you see a difference within the next 3-4 years with current games and future games. I dont see game companies progressing this fast.

It also might start shining at the end of a 5 year cycle. Near the end of its life span in this build.

That was probably me. :)
The i5 comes in 2 and 4 cores models. So 'it depends' when comparing the i5 line to the i7 line. There is also a dual-core i7 (i7-4578U). All the i7s have hyper-threading. Some of the i5s do (i5-4200M for example (laptop CPU). But I digress.

The i7s have many CPUs with largerr L3 cache (3MB-6MB on the i5 line and 4MB-8MB on the i7). I doubt this will effect gameplay much. Video encoding, 3D rendering etc, will love to have the i7.

Right now, if you can get to a Microcenter store, you can get the i5-4690K for $179.99 and the i7-4790K for 249.99 . I"m still leaning towards the i5-4690K at that price even though it is only $70 more to get the few extra bonuses of the i7-4790k (at that price point).

the Motherboard seems a bit spendy to me, but I'm not sure what your needs are. You can also likely find some deals on the 2x8GB of memory (save maybe $20-$30)

I agree on the CPU fan/liquid cooler stuff. You can save money and get about the same cooling and similar noise factors without the hassle and risk of a liquid cooled fan.
 
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Cloaked While you are correct about the i5 also having 4 cores models. The I7 handles it better with more channels/cache ect. Look at any benchmark of i7 VS i5 quads especially with hyperthreading. I7 almost always wins with games supporting it more and more the I7 will slowly eeek out a bigger and bigger advantage. Not to mention he does Other activities besides gaming which the I7 shines on over the I5.

With him going for a bit longer term build The I7 makes more sense.
 
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Cloaked While you are correct about the i5 also having 4 cores models. The I7 handles it better with more channels/cache ect. Look at any benchmark of i7 VS i5 quads especially with hyperthreading. I7 almost always wins with games supporting it more and more the I7 will slowly eeek out a bigger and bigger advantage. Not to mention he does Other activities besides gaming which the I7 shines on over the I5.

With him going for a bit longer term build The I7 makes more sense.

What is considered long term...? You guys keep thinking he will have his PC for more than 6+ years which will be a stretch. Gaming technology wont progress fast enough to make an i7 that you buy now the best bang for your buck later down the road. You will see very little to no difference in a gaming platform and only differences in video rendering, graphic rendering and 3D rendering where it would take advantage of that hyperthreading and the bigger cache.

The super vague information gives us almost nothing to really go off of. He/She does video editing and graphic design as a hobby? It just does not seem logical to drop an extra $100 on literally (what I am assuming) nothing.
 
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Cloaked, considering that Luna and Matt talk to each other on a daily basis. Trust that Matt has a better informed idea of what Luna is looking to do. The i7 vs i5 is a dead subject at this point. I'm 99% certain he's basing the build on an i7 so its a waste of time and effort for everyone to keep pursuing the i5 road.
 
Cloaked Ill put it this way the I7 920 or its equivlent i5 760 was about 4-5 years ago with the i5 being the 4. The i7920 stil to this day with the correct videocard behind it can handle modern games and applications. The i5 is starting to slip off this year in this department. Yes it took 4 years for a newer i5 model then the 920 to catch up but thats an extra year the 920 offered me. On this basis if you do it right you can build a I7 based pc that can handle most games prob 2-3 years easily with the 970. After that a simple card upgrade can prob give another 2-3 years.
 
What is considered long term...? You guys keep thinking he will have his PC for more than 6+ years which will be a stretch. Gaming technology wont progress fast enough to make an i7 that you buy now the best bang for your buck later down the road. You will see very little to no difference in a gaming platform and only differences in video rendering, graphic rendering and 3D rendering where it would take advantage of that hyperthreading and the bigger cache.

The super vague information gives us almost nothing to really go off of. He/She does video editing and graphic design as a hobby? It just does not seem logical to drop an extra $100 on literally (what I am assuming) nothing.

At 4 years with the same computer, How can you say he won't go 6 + years with his considering it's a better build then yours?
 
At 4 years with the same computer, How can you say he won't go 6 + years with his considering it's a better build then yours?

I have yet to see any crazy built or regular built computer still be usable past a 6 year period for gaming, video editing, 3D rendering and graphic designing. Just because "now" tech is crazy fast does not mean it will be even remotely fast in the next 6 years. Again, Technology progresses fast. By a 6 year period I would say this computer will easily stutter and struggle to play the most demanding games on the market at that time. I am at a 4 year point with my build and the only thing I needed to upgrade was my graphics card because that was causing lag. After that upgrade new games came out a year later (and at the time I had a fairly top of the line graphics card.) and instantly noticed my computer began to bog in very intense situations in the most demanding game on the market (which at the time was Battlefield 3.) I later upgraded to a 770 and have yet to have any issues mainly because I do not play the most demanding games nowadays. So I honestly dont know how my computer would perform in a game such as GTA5.

How can you say their computer will last 6+ years? Just because you're basing it off my system build? Thats a very uninformed assumption.

Tech progresses faster than you'd believe. How many different types of chipset's, graphics cards, software, RAM has been produced in the last 3 years? Honestly too much for me to count. With the introduction of Haswell and DDR4 being released (just after it was recently discussed publicly a year or so ago) should be a good indication that tech can come and go VERY quickly.
 
I have yet to see any crazy built or regular built computer still be usable past a 6 year period for gaming, video editing, 3D rendering and graphic designing.

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Original Build (03/2007)
Apevia MX-Pleasure Full Tower
Intel Core2Duo E6300
2x1GB DDR2 800 MHZ
Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 motherboard
Zalaman CNPS9500A Heatsink
Seagate 320GB HDD
Thermaltake 250 watt Graphics Card PSU+Stock 500 watt Apevia PSU
6600GT (Spare GPU)

Update 07/2007
Intel Core2Duo E6750
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R

Update 8/2008:
Corsair XMS 2x2GB DDR2 800
Xigmatek 750watt PSU
EVGA 9800GX2


The only thing that has changed is swapping out of HDDs and a new GPU when the 9800GX2's heatsink fan and EVGA supplied a new, different model to me (GTX 285) sometime around 2010.

Still usable for me as a gaming PC.

Other random facts:
DDR3 launched in 2007, but really picked up pace around late 2009 (which is why the above PC didn't use DDR3; the cost/benefit wasn't worth it). Today, we're now seeing the initial introduction of DDR4, but we most likely won't see it hit mainstream use until 2016. So in the past 6 years, we've seen really only one change in the RAM standard, if you want to start from when the RAM standard is at the mainstream level.

As for GPUs, in regards to nVidia there's been the introduction of 8 new tiers or families of GPU's if we start from the Geforce 9xxx Series (like my 9800GX2). And there are mulitple types of GPU's within each family, totaling more than 70 types. Considering there's been more than 120 models of new GPU's if you go back a further 6 years from 2008, any informed builder that knows their hardware development history will not be surprised by the rapid changes and updates that we find in GPU development. Really, the average family development is 1.5-2.5 years for significant changes (which relates to the family change) Nvidia went from Fermi to Kepler after about 2 years; Tesla to Fermi around 3 year.

Software wise. Let's see, Windows XP was released back in 2001 and has only now been phased out as support in 2013/2014. Vista was released in 2007, but everyone hated it. So in 2009, Windows 7 was released with widespread success. But then, Microsoft screwed up trying to follow Apple's lead with Windows 8 release in 2012.

Windows 7 is still currently in use, but support appears to be ending in 2015/2016.
Windows 8 and 8.1 will be leapfrogged when Windows 10 is being released, if the rumors of those with Windows 8 can get a free upgrade to Win10 is true.
Windows XP is still used, but mostly in the business community where upgrading outdated PCs can be a costly and time-consuming event. Most likely, I would expect all XP PCs to be gone a year after Windows 10's release. So if we go back the 6 years or so, we've seen really only 3 changes to the OS for Windows (XP -> 7 -> 8/8.1) If you want to count Vista, then you shouldn't be recommending parts to people as a lot of gaming PC builders avoided Vista.

Chipset changes follow CPU changes for the most part, and it's now getting late for me to keep typing this.

TL:DR I have a 7 year old gaming PC that I can still play PC games on. Can it play the most recent games? Probably not, but then again, I don't expect it to. It plays the games I want it to play fine though: Minecraft, WoW (when I was still playing WoW that is), CoD4, Witcher 2, Dead Island, Half Life 2, Starcraft 2, AOE2, etc.

The main thing to remember is that the PC build's framework will last. He will only have to upgrade certain parts if he wants or needs to, most likely the GPU. Because if you don't adopt a 3 year upgrade timeline on the GPU, you will experience some lag or lower performance. As far as I'm aware, however, PC builders still aim for a 5 year life expectancy for their PC. Only those with lots of money or have professional reasons go with a higher turnover rate.

And we're deviating from the OP's reason for the thread. So I'm going to ask to lock the thread.
 
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

Original Build (03/2007)
Apevia MX-Pleasure Full Tower
Intel Core2Duo E6300
2x1GB DDR2 800 MHZ
Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 motherboard
Zalaman CNPS9500A Heatsink
Seagate 320GB HDD
Thermaltake 250 watt Graphics Card PSU+Stock 500 watt Apevia PSU
6600GT (Spare GPU)

Update 07/2007
Intel Core2Duo E6750
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R

Update 8/2008:
Corsair XMS 2x2GB DDR2 800
Xigmatek 750watt PSU
EVGA 9800GX2


The only thing that has changed is swapping out of HDDs and a new GPU when the 9800GX2's heatsink fan and EVGA supplied a new, different model to me (GTX 285) sometime around 2010.

Still usable for me as a gaming PC.

Other random facts:
DDR3 launched in 2007, but really picked up pace around late 2009 (which is why the above PC didn't use DDR3; the cost/benefit wasn't worth it). Today, we're now seeing the initial introduction of DDR4, but we most likely won't see it hit mainstream use until 2016. So in the past 6 years, we've seen really only one change in the RAM standard, if you want to start from when the RAM standard is at the mainstream level.

As for GPUs, in regards to nVidia there's been the introduction of 8 new tiers or families of GPU's if we start from the Geforce 9xxx Series (like my 9800GX2). And there are mulitple types of GPU's within each family, totaling more than 70 types. Considering there's been more than 120 models of new GPU's if you go back a further 6 years from 2008, any informed builder that knows their hardware development history will not be surprised by the rapid changes and updates that we find in GPU development. Really, the average family development is 1.5-2.5 years for significant changes (which relates to the family change) Nvidia went from Fermi to Kepler after about 2 years; Tesla to Fermi around 3 year.

Software wise. Let's see, Windows XP was released back in 2001 and has only now been phased out as support in 2013/2014. Vista was released in 2007, but everyone hated it. So in 2009, Windows 7 was released with widespread success. But then, Microsoft screwed up trying to follow Apple's lead with Windows 8 release in 2012.

Windows 7 is still currently in use, but support appears to be ending in 2015/2016.
Windows 8 and 8.1 will be leapfrogged when Windows 10 is being released, if the rumors of those with Windows 8 can get a free upgrade to Win10 is true.
Windows XP is still used, but mostly in the business community where upgrading outdated PCs can be a costly and time-consuming event. Most likely, I would expect all XP PCs to be gone a year after Windows 10's release. So if we go back the 6 years or so, we've seen really only 3 changes to the OS for Windows (XP -> 7 -> 8/8.1) If you want to count Vista, then you shouldn't be recommending parts to people as a lot of gaming PC builders avoided Vista.

Chipset changes follow CPU changes for the most part, and it's now getting late for me to keep typing this.

TL:DR I have a 7 year old gaming PC that I can still play PC games on. Can it play the most recent games? Probably not, but then again, I don't expect it to. It plays the games I want it to play fine though: Minecraft, WoW (when I was still playing WoW that is), CoD4, Witcher 2, Dead Island, Half Life 2, Starcraft 2, AOE2, etc.

The main thing to remember is that the PC build's framework will last. He will only have to upgrade certain parts if he wants or needs to, most likely the GPU. Because if you don't adopt a 3 year upgrade timeline on the GPU, you will experience some lag or lower performance. As far as I'm aware, however, PC builders still aim for a 5 year life expectancy for their PC. Only those with lots of money or have professional reasons go with a higher turnover rate.

And we're deviating from the OP's reason for the thread. So I'm going to ask to lock the thread.

You did upgrades. Your point is invalid! lol.

I also did not mean for software to be transformed into OS. I meant software as in what is used to create games and the quality of games. Can you make a top of the line game such as BF3/4 using the engine that the previous ones were based off of? I dont think you can make battlefield 1942 run and look and perform like BF4. Just my opinion on that stance.

And for chipsets I also mean how many different sockets and types of technology thats been produced for these things. Not just a CPU itself. Same with graphics cards.

All in all I am saying you wont get a 5+ year expectancy with your build. You WILL need to upgrade something which is why I would suggest saving a bit of money in the early term. But it is not my money and not my computer. I am simply offering my advice and knowledge and when people attempt to disregard my knowledge as "pointless" or "useless," I will defend it. Sorry if I was being a nuisance.
 
You did upgrades. Your point is invalid! lol.

What year is it? 2014
When was the last upgrade I did for it? 2008.
Dec 2014 - Aug 2008 => About 6.5 years old. Still going...

There's roughly been about 5 sockets in the past 6 years for Intel.

LGA 775
LGA 1156
LGA 1155
LGA 2011
LGA 1150

He can get 5+ years of use out of the PC. If you go with a lower performing CPU, how do you NOT expect to upgrade it sooner. There's no point in debating your position as it's based on invalid reasoning. Admins, please lock this thread.
 
Ok this thread seems to have derailed a tad......so let's get back on track instead of having a cold war scenario.
 
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