CS Jailbreak M Yaw Bug

[WestVirginia]

bind mouse_x "+forward;-forward;yaw" should be fixed/patched, its exploiting. Anyone not using it is at a huge disadvantage, and this bind makes it where skill is not required anymore, please fix!

 

[blank_dvth]

W WestVirginia

This bind is something we have previously reviewed and made the determination is allowed on EdgeGamers' CS servers. Players may choose to use this bind if they wish -- plenty of guides are available online as to how to set it up. With extremely limited exceptions, we tend to permit any bind/action that can be done natively in the Counter-Strike game under normal circumstances (i.e. is not external assistance, does not require sv_cheats, etc.) on our servers -- this bind is not one of those exceptions.

 

[WestVirginia]

I didn’t learn about this bind til someone else mentioned it in chat, and made this post. There is pretty much no info about m_yaw and anyone else who doesn’t know about it is at a HUGE disadvantage in any minigame that involves movement (surf,climb,cancer jumps), some cancer jumps are impossible without m_yaw, either the bind should be promoted in chat or removed to make the minigames more fair.

 

[nep]

yahallo! want to bump this because i genuinely think the bind is unhealthy for jb.

the main issue to me isn’t whether it technically counts as "cheating" under server rules... but it’s that the yaw bind removes a large amount of player input and consistency skill from certain games.

a lot of players don’t even know m_yaw exists unless someone tells them, which creates a weird environment where experienced players using this obscure bind (which thankfully is becoming more well known now) have a huge advantage over normal players.

some cancer jumps are quite literally almost impossible for those without it, whilst being trivial for those who are.

other movement communities have already taken a stance against this kind of thing, and FKZ, for example, considers yaw bind disallowed on their servers.

i think we should reconsider the current stance, especially for jb being mostly focused around movement skill. it's quite literally impossible for a person without yaw bind to beat someone with it in surf. you just accelerate a million times slower than them.

i think its a bit comparable to using performance enhancing drugs. the fact that something is possible through console commands doesn’t automatically make it healthy or fair. i think its rather obvious this isnt intended, and abusing an unintended interaction for a clear gameplay advantage goes against what i believe edgegamers stands for.

thank you.

 

[Dark]

yahallo! want to bump this because i genuinely think the bind is unhealthy for jb.

the main issue to me isn’t whether it technically counts as "cheating" under server rules... but it’s that the yaw bind removes a large amount of player input and consistency skill from certain games.

a lot of players don’t even know m_yaw exists unless someone tells them, which creates a weird environment where experienced players using this obscure bind (which thankfully is becoming more well known now) have a huge advantage over normal players.

some cancer jumps are quite literally almost impossible for those without it, whilst being trivial for those who are.

other movement communities have already taken a stance against this kind of thing, and FKZ, for example, considers yaw bind disallowed on their servers.

i think we should reconsider the current stance, especially for jb being mostly focused around movement skill. it's quite literally impossible for a person without yaw bind to beat someone with it in surf. you just accelerate a million times slower than them.

i think its a bit comparable to using performance enhancing drugs. the fact that something is possible through console commands doesn’t automatically make it healthy or fair. i think its rather obvious this isnt intended, and abusing an unintended interaction for a clear gameplay advantage goes against what i believe edgegamers stands for.

thank you.

completely agree with this, in my opinion this is COMPLETELY the same thing as using the fps cap for bhoping. Not all players know about it, not all players use it, therefore it was removed for exploiting. How is this bind any different (as someone who is currently using it) not all players have it. IT SHOULD BE BANNED

 

[nep]

sorry to post again, but to add on, the only "guides" online or even discussion at all after around an hour of digging is this one single youtube video.



a video with 3000 views.

it also enabled me to findout ITS RELATED TO FPS TOO! so if you go into your cs2 config files to manually set your fps cap to above the limit, and granted you have a pc good enough, you actually should be jumping further than other people EVEN WITH THE BIND!

i dont even know if i should be leaking this information, because it seems rather gamebreaking to me. people with capped fps are actually hurting themselves, not only with the slight input delay it always seems to give, but also that they straight up accelerate slower!

 

[nep]

For anyone unknowing of the m_yaw bind:

From what I understand, the “yaw bind” works by attaching movement commands to "mouse_x" (horizontal mouse movement), causing the game to repeatedly send movement state changes whenever the mouse is moved. In CS2, this appears to interact strangely with the subtick/input system, resulting in increased acceleration due to stronger strafe gain (and due to the increased air_acceleration value of jb it's even more noticable). What makes it even more controversial is that the effect seems tied to hardware and engine behavior as well, including FPS and mouse polling rate, meaning players with uncapped FPS and stronger PCs can gain even larger advantages from the same bind.

 

[WestVirginia]

yahallo! want to bump this because i genuinely think the bind is unhealthy for jb.

the main issue to me isn’t whether it technically counts as "cheating" under server rules... but it’s that the yaw bind removes a large amount of player input and consistency skill from certain games.

a lot of players don’t even know m_yaw exists unless someone tells them, which creates a weird environment where experienced players using this obscure bind (which thankfully is becoming more well known now) have a huge advantage over normal players.

some cancer jumps are quite literally almost impossible for those without it, whilst being trivial for those who are.

other movement communities have already taken a stance against this kind of thing, and FKZ, for example, considers yaw bind disallowed on their servers.

i think we should reconsider the current stance, especially for jb being mostly focused around movement skill. it's quite literally impossible for a person without yaw bind to beat someone with it in surf. you just accelerate a million times slower than them.

i think its a bit comparable to using performance enhancing drugs. the fact that something is possible through console commands doesn’t automatically make it healthy or fair. i think its rather obvious this isnt intended, and abusing an unintended interaction for a clear gameplay advantage goes against what i believe edgegamers stands for.

thank you.

+1 forgot to mention how hard it is to win surf as well without m_yaw, really good points!

 

[nep]

blank_dvth
apologies for the ping, just wanted to make sure these new points were brought to your attention in case you missed them!

 

[blank_dvth]

Thank you for the additional feedback and information. We do not intend on making any exception to the aforementioned policy regarding binds at this time; features provided by the game will remain available for use by players should they choose to do so. We may re-evaluate this decision at a later date should circumstances change, however that is not the case currently.

 

[Xandertron]

yahallo! want to bump this because i genuinely think the bind is unhealthy for jb.

the main issue to me isn’t whether it technically counts as "cheating" under server rules... but it’s that the yaw bind removes a large amount of player input and consistency skill from certain games.

a lot of players don’t even know m_yaw exists unless someone tells them, which creates a weird environment where experienced players using this obscure bind (which thankfully is becoming more well known now) have a huge advantage over normal players.

some cancer jumps are quite literally almost impossible for those without it, whilst being trivial for those who are.

other movement communities have already taken a stance against this kind of thing, and FKZ, for example, considers yaw bind disallowed on their servers.

i think we should reconsider the current stance, especially for jb being mostly focused around movement skill. it's quite literally impossible for a person without yaw bind to beat someone with it in surf. you just accelerate a million times slower than them.

i think its a bit comparable to using performance enhancing drugs. the fact that something is possible through console commands doesn’t automatically make it healthy or fair. i think its rather obvious this isnt intended, and abusing an unintended interaction for a clear gameplay advantage goes against what i believe edgegamers stands for.

thank you.

best chance to see action is voicing your concern to valve directly, this just feels like another game engine moment, much like what bhopping and strafing was and still are and not something we can easily enforce fairly

 

[nep]

i also wanted to hear your opinion on external macros, SOCD and nulling blank_dvth if possible! couldnt find any info on the rules regarding these, thanks my goat

 

[blank_dvth]

External Macros and SOCD are not allowed (external assistance)
Nulls I can't recall as I'm not very involved in the movement side of things -- they were far more prevalent with Surf, Bhop, KZ, etc., but we haven't had those servers for a while (except the recent Surf release)

 

[WestVirginia]

SOCD not allowed but infinite air accel w/ m yaw allowed Nulls is literally SOCD btw

 

[WestVirginia]

You mine as well add a server message when joining to use the bind, its legit impossible to beat anyone who is using the bind in any minigame involving movement

 

[nep]

nulling is essentially the same thing as SOCD though, its literallly a type of SOCD so by default shouldnt be allowed. for the official definition:

Nulling (Null Binds / Last Input Priority): This is a specific SOCD method. Whenever you press two opposing directional keys simultaneously, the keyboard ignores the first key and immediately registers the most recently pressed one. When you release the latest key, it reactivates the previous one without requiring you to repress it (Source: https://wooting.io/post/rappy-snappy-tappy)

if nulling falls under SOCD, and SOCD isnt allowed, nulling shouldn't also be allowed. there are also systems to detect this, which is generally widespread in community kz servers like fkz and also in cs2 premier, etc.

id really like to know more about it as it seems like some of the players that do use these (not going to point fingers but i know for a fact who some of them are) are at a significant advantage. thank you.

blank_dvth

 

[frio]

iirc nulls were banned like a year ago

nulling is essentially the same thing as SOCD though, its literallly a type of SOCD so by default shouldnt be allowed. for the official definition:

Nulling (Null Binds / Last Input Priority): This is a specific SOCD method. Whenever you press two opposing directional keys simultaneously, the keyboard ignores the first key and immediately registers the most recently pressed one. When you release the latest key, it reactivates the previous one without requiring you to repress it (Source: https://wooting.io/post/rappy-snappy-tappy)

if nulling falls under SOCD, and SOCD isnt allowed, nulling shouldn't also be allowed. there are also systems to detect this, which is generally widespread in community kz servers like fkz and also in cs2 premier, etc.

id really like to know more about it as it seems like some of the players that do use these (not going to point fingers but i know for a fact who some of them are) are at a significant advantage. thank you.

blank_dvth

 

[nep]

iirc nulls were banned like a year ago

probably, main point is its not enforced. if we allow m_yaw we should enforce the rules to stop socd/nulls too

 

[Xandertron]

probably, main point is its not enforced. if we allow m_yaw we should enforce the rules to stop socd/nulls too

they are enforced, if you suspect someone is using them you should absolutely record a clip where possible and make a report here on the forums

 

[novajourney]

W WestVirginia

This bind is something we have previously reviewed and made the determination is allowed on EdgeGamers' CS servers. Players may choose to use this bind if they wish -- plenty of guides are available online as to how to set it up. With extremely limited exceptions, we tend to permit any bind/action that can be done natively in the Counter-Strike game under normal circumstances (i.e. is not external assistance, does not require sv_cheats, etc.) on our servers -- this bind is not one of those exceptions.

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