Friendly Fire DoD:S Server

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I put this in dropbox a while ago and was asked to wait while we discussed the Stats issue. Please keep to the point of this thread. Positives and negatives, and don?t move off onto other topics. If we want this to happen we need to flush out the idea further. So with no further ado, let the discussion begin.

Friendly Fire
I was recently looking at the top DoD:S servers and noticed more than just a few are FF servers. I realize with our members it would not be a good idea to switch all servers to FF for more than just a few reasons. Not the least of which being there are probably few bastions of Non-FF servers. Not to mention we have far too much nade spam.

Our Competition
More than a few of the top servers are out of the states. These we will not have much of a chance competing with as their player base is most likely located in other countries. eGO does not have enough of a foreign player base to accommodate a server outside the U.S.

Other than that, we have Lotus, F|A, 6th Rangers, and BG. All of which run FF servers. A good portion of these server's player bases will come from members, another large portion comes from competitive players and community members who enjoy Friendly Fire. All of these servers are 100 tick, we won't be competing with that anytime soon, so we may have trouble bringing some of the competitive players over. So, to compete with these servers on their own level we will need to add a Friendly Fire server. Then we will have these servers at a disadvantage as they have no non-FF servers. I also have no doubt that once DoD:S community members get a taste of eGO and how professional this community and division are, they will stay, and not only that, they will try out our other servers.

Servers
Our Ava server is always top 10, our Donner, Charlie and even Kalt server do well (Kalt more recently). Charlie and Donner have their diehard regulars and Kalt has been gathering steam lately with a strong push from some older members.

Anzio and Flash obviously struggle in comparison to our other servers. Anzio picks up once or twice a week due to point farmers and members gathering to all play together. Flash has been struggling on a fairly long term basis. I am sure this has all been kicked around thousands of times in leadership, including all the issues associated with it...pulling members from one server to fill another, summer schedules vs school schedules, rotational servers, and even FF.


The Draw
When was the last time making one of these servers a FF server discussed? It appears to me that creating a FF server would have the greatest potential of bringing in NEW players to eGO servers rather than having current players migrate for a few months from one of our other servers. The players that enjoy Non-FF will stay on their current favorite eGO server and players who enjoy FF on non-eGO servers will have a new location to enjoy their gaming.

I have no doubt there are players who want a more realistic playing environment, (friendly fire) within a mature gaming community. Looking over some of the comments on a few of the top FF servers, some players complain about abusive admins and disrespectful players. Why not try and snatch up a few of those players that not only enjoy FF, but are looking for a community not filled with jerks. A FF server with good admins, which is backed by a mature gaming community instead of elitists or people less concerned about the enjoyment of their players than their personal score, now that will be a great hook for many.
Just to reiterate, the reason I think this would be a good strategy to try on a single failing server would be the fact that it will cater to players that eGO has never catered to within DoD:S. It's a legitimate chance at bringing in all new players not just retreads.

Issues
Yes, we will need to find a plugin for forgive/slap/burn/slay or whatever, but that seems like a minor issue compared to accessing a very large segment of the DoD:S community we have ignored. Will some players who from time to time join the map now leave it entirely? Possible, but this should be more than compensated by the number that add the server to their favorites. The members that enjoy the server as is now, will most likely simply play on another eGO server as there are few FF servers around.

Will this create issues yea, but there is great potential for new members to the community.

My Server Choice
As to which server it would be, that will be up to leadership, but I would strongly suggest Anzio over Flash. Suddenly having a FF server in eGO and making that server Flash, where nade spamming is a way of life, may be too tramatic for many. Also, Anzio is a normal league map which will help it?s player base. We may also be able to pull players away from BG as one of their top maps (which is almost always full) is Anzio.

DoD:S Community
Let?s be honest with ourselves, DoD:S is not a ?growing? game. Almost all of its members have owned the game for years. We get new players from time to time, but they are mostly players coming back to DoD:S, not players who just purchased the game. A necessary step to increasing our player base will have to include server modification to bring in more players from other servers. Changing maps will simply create a situation where eGO members and pubbers migrate to the new server for a period of time. This is highly unlikely to bring in new members. Adding a FF server however is a huge step toward increasing both our member and puber bases.
Please stay focused on this topic. What map is less important than getting a FF server up and running.
 
Great post, great idea. I think it would be a great idea to switch one of our lesser populated servers over to a FF server.. Whether or not we keep that servers map is an idea to discuss as well..

I for one would be down for it. I myself have been asked why we don't allow FF on at least one server a few times.


Of course, with all FF servers, there WILL be some whom are not there to play normally, and will chose to TK (Team kill) for whatever the reason. BUT I'm more than certain our automated admin plugins can handle that, after a certain number of TK's are committed in a period of time, etc.. Not to mention our large number of admins present to handle stuff.


+1.
 
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Great idea! It will help new players with realism when ff is off, most likely bring in new members, will have a new vibe for the DoD:s division in terms in game play, and possible motivate more of the DoD:s community members to be active.
 
Spray: "I was paid to lead, not to read" (Slightly misquoted)

Do it.
 
well to be honest i would love to see flash full again but the last time i saw it full for at least hours was jump started by the CSS division in a road trip. Now the most likely part of it becoming a FF server would be bad because the server flash has a large a mount of grenades and it tends to get stuck in the middle. I love it when its a stand still but to truly have a FF server work would have to be anzio because its bigger and never is at a stale mate like flash. Plus 90% of the dods community does not like flash which is why it is never full.
 
Nicely thought out and done mate - I would put my mark on the do it side of the sheet!

Nice simple idea that I think would help legitimately increase our server useage - I don't myself think that changing maps is the answer - we only have so many people in the pool and all changing maps seems to achieve is a different distribution of players.

I think this FF idea would allow us to go dipping into a different pool for some fresh visitors as you said - the people who don't like playing FF off. I could see a typical playing session for many people being hopping in and out between FF on and off servers, I know I would struggle on FF on to not destroy my team, I am too twitchy when things move!! I would still play though and try to get better at it , then go to our FF off servers when i want to shoot any moving object and be safe doing it.

I also agree with map being irrelevant.. that is a much lesser question!
 
Sumac already knows this, but I love the FF idea.
 
I really think this is a great Idea!

It brings a new aspect to eGO. I know a while back we talked about changing a server to a realism/zombie mod server to attract a new type of player. A FF server would do a similar thing and it is a lot more realistic to achieve and maintain the server.

At the very least A new FF server will create a buzz around the eGO player base and help populate the server to start with. This is not a bad thing, getting people into an unpopular server is the hardest part. Once the server becomes populated then you start to gather a new regular player base of pubbers and maybe eventually new recruits.

Again, I don't think the map is the major decision that needs to be made here. But it will have to be a map favorable to FF. Flash is not an option (imo) but that does not mean that changing the flash server to a more fav FF server is out of the option. Just remeber it was not long ago that Anzio was in the top 50 and above donner/strand. It just requires dedicated group of people to start it (Blas was the major reason Anzio succeded to start with). And Sumac just coz Anzio is a stat farming map doesn't mean it is a bad map and that we need to change it. We have to be honest, Flash is completly dead and something needs to happen!

Sorry I wasn't planning on such a long post but I am sitting in a PSCI class . . . .

-Kiwi
 
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Dammit Sumac, Why do you have to make my life harder!?!?!

Fyi leadership asked Sumac to hold the phone on the idea since we had a lot of stuff going on at the time. Sumac is Sumac (and a complete jerkface) so he posted anyways. Truth is-- I can't get mad at Sumac especially since I like the concept so much!!

There is no denying that his idea is a great one. Keep discussing and let us know what you think about FF in our failing servers and as always we'll try to make it happen if you all support it.
 
2 thumbs up Sumac!

I have played on many FF servers and if I remember correctly, the 506th (not sure of the rest of the server name) ran a well admin'd server or 3 with FF much like how we admin. That experience lead me to play competitively for a short period of time.

I still play on the occasional FF server for the taste of the old times and would thoroughly enjoy an eGO FF server. If I had a choice, Anzio would be the call. Nade fests do not draw a crowd but a well laid out map such as Anzio would sure to draw many in and give those who wish to play or do play competitively, a chance to hone their skills.

Old man voting yes :laugh:
 
Personally I don't have too much interest in FF. With that said it IS great for events like Realism and the Scrims. However when you put 20-30 people in a server with FF there will be a lot of FF and a lot of disgruntled people with guns in their hands pointed at each others faces, along with what Sumac said "nade spammers". I not sure how well the public players will take but certainly it's worth a try. I would really like see this go through,new is always fun. Heck I would join a FF server if I knew some guys in game, its just not something I would play on to have my evening fun.
 
Personally I don't have too much interest in FF. With that said it IS great for events like Realism and the Scrims. However when you put 20-30 people in a server with FF there will be a lot of FF and a lot of disgruntled people with guns in their hands pointed at each others faces, along with what Sumac said "nade spammers". I not sure how well the public players will take but certainly it's worth a try. I would really like see this go through,new is always fun. Heck I would join a FF server if I knew some guys in game, its just not something I would play on to have my evening fun.

If FF is such a bad idea for public servers then why are so many doing so well? I agree there would definitely be a period of time where people used to our servers have problems, but it's won't be mass chaos. If that were the case most successful servers would be non-FF. Also, what have we got to lose by putting it on a completely dead server?
 
Why not use one of our servers which is not being used and turn it into Avalanche FF server then we will have the best of both worlds.
 
I like the idea myself and see it as a way to draw other people into our servers, that normally stay away from our servers. I also agree that Anzio would be a better choice then Flash because of size and scale. My only concern is the banning that is going to happen because someone decides to nade spawn as they leave.
 
One thing that seems to be a concern is admin of a FF server.. It seems the FPX guys do ok with their servers... But lets be honest would this be enough of a reason to not try it? I am sure our admins are up to the task of kicking people who deliberately TK, as long as the response is not over the top with instant bans! I could be wrong but I am sure kicking a random muppet would do the trick, if someone comes back and continues then we ban for day or two, if again then perma ban.. Pretty easy huh??

I am sure it can't be that hard to manage or nobody would be doing it - or playing it!
 
I personally like the idea, it may be a little bit more of a hassle to admin, but if it was full all the time, is that not worth it? INS has FF on almost all the time, and they manage it just as well as we could.

I say give it a shot! but of course this is just my 2 cents :P
 

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