New computer recommendations

Papa1960

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Had a really good week last week, and a big bonus is coming in shortly that should allow me to toss my six your old computer in favor of something newer, better, faster. So. . .

I'm looking for recommendations, and posting the thread here because I what I'm looking for is becoming a better Battlefield soldier, not someone's idea of a generic great gaming rig. However, while I took some computer and EE courses in college that was before the existence of multi-core processors, cheap RAM, digital modems, DVDs, laptops, cell phones, etc. As my son likes to say, my first television was a black & white transister radio!

Some stuff is basic. E.g., "as much RAM as possible." Don't bother with that.

Processor: my research suggests I-7, but there are multiple I-7's out there. Should I care about the difference?

Video cards: I don't know anything. I'm running Radeon 5670 now, but I saw a computer last week that had two video cards linked together somehow. Does this really make a big difference? I've talked to a couple of people at big electronics stores, but frankly they didn't sound like they knew what they were talking about either.

Input devices: do I really need a gaming keyboard and gaming mouse? Do they have a big impact? Some impact?

Other: Some folks on vent brag about their water cooling, but when I saw a computer with it all I could think about was "yeah, and what moron designer engineered putting a tank of water on top of the motherboard?" Seriously, a small radiator on top with rubber hoses to a jacket around the processor. All stuff wears out, and the last thing I want is drips of water/coolant on electronics. I get that convection requires that the radiator be higher than what it's cooling, but I can't believe there isn't a better way.
Any other thing I should be thinking about?

This is not a "next week" purchase. I have time to research and consider possibilities and alternatives, but I want to have this computer for several years and not require an upgrade next fall. Your thoughts, or even spirited debate, are appreciated.

Papa
 
First off, you dont need an i7 unless you are doing a lot of video editing and rendering, go with an i5 3570k. Its a great overclocker too and will get the job done if you are gaming. If you still want to go the i7 route you can get the i7 3770k.

About the video card question. Yes running SLI/Crossfire will make a difference. You will get more performance with 2 cards running. However you have to get 2 of the same video cards Example: 2 GTX 670s/ 2 7870s. I dont know your budget but if you have the money you could go for a 670 . Or if you want a a cheaper card for around $250 get the 7870. Great card. Will be able to run BF3 on ultra in 1080p.


A gaming keyboard is not needed but is useful. Ghosting is a problem with some keyboards, so I recommend a good gaming keyboard with anti-ghosting. As for the mouse, get a gaming mouse (Logitech G500) it is a great mouse and its comfortable.



As for the water-cooling, you would need some experience doing it to watercool your computer, im not saying its complicated, it is just, well you get the idea. I would just go for air cooling, and get a nice CPU cooler. It is cheaper and easier to install.:)
 
Start here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150588

One of these should hold you over for some time without having to consider crossfire. A single can run BF3 on max settings on a 24" monitor.

6 Button mouse minimum

Water cooling is a silly fad. Just make sure you get a good case with lots of airflow (also mind the DB noise level of the fans). Cool = good. Jet engine = bad.

I5 is actually probably fine. But either way make sure you spend a few bucks on a good aftermarket cooler for it.

Have fun. PC purchasing is always a good time!

-Hex-
 
Don't get a zalman cooler for your computer :P. That thing is just ridiculously enormous.

heres what i put together a little bit ago. Be more intelligent that me, in whatever you get; reading directions and not taking shortcut makes life easier.

Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Rosewill LIGHTNING Series LIGHTNING-800 800W Continuous @50?C,80 PLUS GOLD Certified,Pipe-rock Modular Design,Single +12V Rail,ATX12V v2.3/EPS12V v2.92,SLI Ready,CrossFire Ready,Active- PFC ,Fan LED color switch Power Supply
ZALMAN CNPS9900MAX-B 135mm Long life bearing CPU Cooler Blue LED
MSI N660TI TF 3GD5/OC GeForce GTX 660 Ti 3GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
1 x Intel Core i7-3820 Sandy Bridge-E 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 2011 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73820
1 x ASUS Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
1 x CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9R

I reused ram from the old rig because it fit the slots, otherwise i probably would have gotten something better.

New motherboards are coming out with the pci-e 3.0 slots for video cards. They are back compatible for the 2.0 cards, but a 3.0 card wont work in a 2.0 motherboard.
 
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Like Hexiir said i5 is plently enough .memory I would suggest to get around 8GB DDR3. For graphic cards, you should go for 1 single powerfull card instead of 2 medicore one, reason being SLI is know for its fair share of bugs and by having one powerfull card you give yourself to having room to upgrade in the future. A gtx 680 is pretty beast of card and should last you quite awhile.

For gaming mouse it helps, but you dont need 6 buttons if playing bf3. At most you just need 3.
 
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Like Hexiir said i5 is plently enough .memory I would suggest to get around 8GB DDR3. For graphic cards, you should go for 1 single powerfull card instead of 2 medicore one, reason being SLI is know for its fair share of bugs and by having one powerfull card you give yourself to having room to upgrade in the future. A gtx 680 is pretty beast of card and should last you quite awhile.

For gaming mouse it helps, but you dont need 6 buttons if playing bf3. At most you just need 3.

Well...3 for gun/gun/knife...but push to talk and map on the mouse is handy. =)
 
First off before anyone can give you specific advice on particular components we need to know your budget range. There is a pretty significant difference between a $1000 computer and a $1500 computer. Will you be using your current monitor? Do you have room for large case or a small one?
 
budget, anything u plan on keeping, extra items?, pc building skill?, modular or non modular psu, anything u must have or dont want?, overclocking knowledge?

Gaming mouses and key boards- better precision but the extra buttons may or not be worth it
SLI/Crossfire- hit or miss due to technical problems with drivers and games.
Water cooling- u should only get it if u plan on extreme OCing. if u dont plan on OCing than an air cooler will do the job.
 
These kind of threads just start arguments. Pm me if you would like more information on building your system. For less than $1000 dollar budget you will be gaming well for the next couple years
 
These kind of threads just start arguments. Pm me if you would like more information on building your system. For less than $1000 dollar budget you will be gaming well for the next couple years

oh so true :) hehe

OP - post a budget!
 
These kind of threads just start arguments. Pm me if you would like more information on building your system. For less than $1000 dollar budget you will be gaming well for the next couple years

True, but PM me!

;p


What's your budget, will you be using it for anything other than gaming/general use, do you already have a monitor? What resolution?
 
FixItQuick wrote: "First off before anyone can give you specific advice on particular components we need to know your budget range. There is a pretty significant difference between a $1000 computer and a $1500 computer. Will you be using your current monitor? Do you have room for large case or a small one?"

TheYonderGod wrote: "What's your budget, will you be using it for anything other than gaming/general use, do you already have a monitor? What resolution?"

I hate to say this because it's an invitation to useless expense, but the budget really doesn't matter. I was assuming that it could be done for less than $1,000, but I don't want to spend another $1,000 on software, cables, monitors, etc. I'm replacing some furniture too, so I have room for anything up to an end table sized case. (That's a big case!) I have a compaq lcd monitor, 19" wide, runnning at 1440 x 900.

Most of my other computer activity is work. Word processing or internet-assisted research or email. My current computer is fine for that, and I can keep it if necessary, but I'd prefer to have only one, even if that means I need to switch out keyboards. (I use an ergonomic keyboard for writing.)

Bravo51 wrote: "modular or non modular psu, anything u must have or dont want?, overclocking knowledge?"

I have no idea what the first or the last means. I'll neede a DVD/CD burner (for work). I can't remember what my sound card is, but I've never "immersed myself in the sound experience" anyway so if I can use the same card that's fine.

I can build a computer if necessary, but my plan was to find a guy who builds them in his garage and place an order. I understand taht most of the current components are really just a couple of screws and a couple of cable clicks. I've upgraded the video card, hard drive, memory, burner, and power supply on what I have now; the only thing I've never done is original mother board or processor install.

Thanks for all the help guys; I appreciate it.

Papa
 
Here is my upcoming Rig since I also got paid pretty well last paychecks ;) It is in the upper level of the Benchmark section but pretty easy on your wallet . I already have 2 setups with the same Casing and I love it. Its a great case with lots of features and extras . NO noise level and a great look with huge space. It swallowed my old RIG from last year like nothing and is still up and running. I just like more performance right now. I got an AMD Eight core right now and an i5 35xx something. Tried my friends i7 and it blew my mind. Here the links for the complete ready setup. Hope I could help. Aloha
*edit* Grand Total for me was 1371 including 126 Bucks for shipping to my door steps in Hawaii. PC total was 1244.
I researched for these Parts 2 weeks including Vids and Feedbacks of friends. On of my friend has almost the same setup except for the RAM . It is amazing how good that RIG runs .. I can only reckon this setup . We do a lot of Video Editing. Photoshop and we are very picky in high res gaming :D .. just FYI .
CASE : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147158
HDD : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840
GRAPHICS : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127711
PSU : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207028
RAM : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231476
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130660
CPU : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501
 
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So no budget but no unnecessary stuff, so basically you want a good bang for your buck?

Just build it yourself, to install a CPU all you do is drop it in and pull the lever down, and you've done everything else.

Overclocking is simply raising the frequency of your CPU, for example the 3570k is stock at 3.4Ghz, I have mine overclocked to 4.4Ghz It's actually really easy as long as you don't want to go for a really high OC like above 4.5Ghz If you do want to learn how to OC I recommend getting a decent cooler ($20-30) but you can always try it out with the stock cooler and then get a better cooler later.

Here's what I recommend to start out with:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.97 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.20 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.64 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz) OR http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r7950twinfrozr3gd5oc
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ TigerDirect)
Total: $834.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-22 19:49 EDT-0400)
+Just pick whatever case you want, as long as it has room for everything and a couple fans/fan mounts it's mostly just personally preference for the looks and how much you want to spend. Some good brands to check out are Cooler Master, NZXT, Corsair, Lian-Li, Antec, Silverstone, Thermaltake


Additional stuff that I think you should get (I would) but isn't necessary:

CPU Cooler if you want to overclock more: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rrb10212pg1

Monitor: If you want the smoothest possible gaming experience and don't mind playing Bf3 on low for it; http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vg248qe
otherwise, just any decent 1080p monitor

Sound card/headphones; most people just use onboard sound but imo it is one of the best cheap upgrades you can get: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-sound-card-xonardg or http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-sound-card-xonardx if you want to spend more for an even better one.
If you don't already have decent headphones, JVC HARX-700s are very good for the price.

Mechanical keyboard: Improves your typing and gaming experience a lot, research the differences between the different switches and get whatever you think you'll like better. Cooler Master Storm QuickFire are good cheap ones for Blue or Black switches http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-keyboard-sgk4000gkcl1us http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-keyboard-sgk4000gkcc1us

Mouse: If you want a new one, the Razer DeathAdder is good http://pcpartpicker.com/part/razer-mouse-rz0100840100r3u1
 
These kind of threads just start arguments. Pm me if you would like more information on building your system. For less than $1000 dollar budget you will be gaming well for the next couple years

I 100% agree with this. I would recommend an i5 2500k over a 3570k because it's a sandy bridge and runs cooler. Overclocking is better aswell. Make sure you get a Z77 chipset mobo
 
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