New Hardware New Motherboard-CPU-Memory needed
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Not only do I not like micro ATX boards, I am also not a fan of being restrained. Picking parts that cant allow you to boost their own performance makes it worthless to me. My mind can change in a month and I might feel like I want to overclock something. Thats why I always buy parts that can be overclocked or are factory OC'd.
Also I dont like asrock. Not a fan.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1727854
Not a bad deal either.
Also I dont like asrock. Not a fan.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1727854
Not a bad deal either.
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I had been thinking about that Cloaked. My current (old) rig is slightly overclocked.
the K CPU is only 15 bucks more....
I had already started looking at different boards, seeing if it would be better to get one with 4 memory slots or 2
(2 memory slots would mean I bought 2X8 ram now. 4 slots would mean I could get 2X4 now, and if I needed, could get another 2X4 down the road somewhere..)
Which lead me to the whole Z97 vs H97, had to Google to see what the difference was.
I don't intend to SLI. I did that with my previous build (the one before my current rig). Now I just stick to single cards, and when it get's to the point it beings to fall behind, I'll upgrade it.
the K CPU is only 15 bucks more....
I had already started looking at different boards, seeing if it would be better to get one with 4 memory slots or 2
(2 memory slots would mean I bought 2X8 ram now. 4 slots would mean I could get 2X4 now, and if I needed, could get another 2X4 down the road somewhere..)
Which lead me to the whole Z97 vs H97, had to Google to see what the difference was.
I don't intend to SLI. I did that with my previous build (the one before my current rig). Now I just stick to single cards, and when it get's to the point it beings to fall behind, I'll upgrade it.
It's not the primary decision factor.
Personally, I feel it's over-rated. "Brand New", the stock speeds are more than fast enough to handle anything we do.
Four years from now, over clocking it won't really matter, it will be time to simply upgrade totally.
Kind of what I did with the current rig. Slight over clocking.. but anything more is pointless, it's just to old.
BTW, I'd like to think y'all for helping me. It's been several years since I paid attention to this type of stuff.
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I chose the uATX because you didn't specify what form factor you had or even whether you were buying a new case or not. Also, yeah I chose the H97 because you said you weren't going to overclock. In that case I would recommend the ATX version, but if I were you I would still get the cheaper uATX version unless it specifically limits you in any way.
If you intend to overclock please say so, so that a different set of parts may be recommended. I had the understanding that you did not have the intention of overclocking.
I'm not sure what there isn't to like about ASRock. Their motherboards are becoming some of the best reviewed among both customers on Newegg and industry publications. Just because they are new to the game that doesn't mean they deserve people to dislike them for no reason. Also, a good reason to not buy ASUS: they will screw you over if you have motherboard issues and need to RMA because their RMA service is the worst. Just google "asus rma horror story".
Issues with ASUS' RMA system are so ubiquitous that if you google "asrock rma horror story" or replace asrock with gigabyte or msi you will still get ASUS RMA horror stories mixed in with posts about the brand you searched for.
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Get an i7, don't bother going with i5 anymore, as games get harder to run, with more processes, i5's become irrelevant. You will be able to more on an i7 then you would on an i5 any day. For the price, it's not that much more expensive and you'll see a massive spike in performance, especially when running multiple devices and displays.
intel 4970k is the way to go, best processor based on price and performance, you will not be disappointed in this processor, I currently do not have it, I wish I did.
ASRock X99M EXTREME4 is one of the best motherboards on the market right now, being a little under 300$ with free shipping on amazon, you're getting a really high end motherboard with a lot of room to work with. This board will be good for the next 5 years of gaming and you'll be able to upgrade any of your other parts without worrying about compatibility issues, performance issues or quality issues. It also allows for the use of multiple graphics cards, and with the processor paired up with this board, you'll have no problem having more then one graphics card.
16 GB of ram, don't go for 32 unless you're planning on upgrading your parts and running 4 titans. Gskill and corsair makes fast ram, that is both reliable and cool-looking. look for faster timings on your ram, you don't want to buy 16 GB of ram and have it be slow. Getting 16 GB of ram will make you ready for the next generation of gaming and you should not have an issue running any game with 16GB of ram as of for the next 5 years.
We're not looking for the best computer for you for this moment, a lot of these other suggestions will be irrelevant in 2 years time, we're trying to make it so you don't have to upgrade and you won't see performance issues if you maintain your computer well for the next 5 years. You'll be able to play a lot of games on max settings and will see a great increase in FPS. These parts will allow you to utilize tools like photoshop, sony vegas and FL studios with little to no lag. Also, the board will give you plenty of graphic card options for you to choose from, and all of this can be ran on a 750W power supply. It can all fit in a full ATX case aswell.
intel 4970k is the way to go, best processor based on price and performance, you will not be disappointed in this processor, I currently do not have it, I wish I did.
ASRock X99M EXTREME4 is one of the best motherboards on the market right now, being a little under 300$ with free shipping on amazon, you're getting a really high end motherboard with a lot of room to work with. This board will be good for the next 5 years of gaming and you'll be able to upgrade any of your other parts without worrying about compatibility issues, performance issues or quality issues. It also allows for the use of multiple graphics cards, and with the processor paired up with this board, you'll have no problem having more then one graphics card.
16 GB of ram, don't go for 32 unless you're planning on upgrading your parts and running 4 titans. Gskill and corsair makes fast ram, that is both reliable and cool-looking. look for faster timings on your ram, you don't want to buy 16 GB of ram and have it be slow. Getting 16 GB of ram will make you ready for the next generation of gaming and you should not have an issue running any game with 16GB of ram as of for the next 5 years.
We're not looking for the best computer for you for this moment, a lot of these other suggestions will be irrelevant in 2 years time, we're trying to make it so you don't have to upgrade and you won't see performance issues if you maintain your computer well for the next 5 years. You'll be able to play a lot of games on max settings and will see a great increase in FPS. These parts will allow you to utilize tools like photoshop, sony vegas and FL studios with little to no lag. Also, the board will give you plenty of graphic card options for you to choose from, and all of this can be ran on a 750W power supply. It can all fit in a full ATX case aswell.
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UGH, this is making my head hurt 
Ok, let's offically say I want the "option" to be able to slight overclock.
Orginally I had said no...cause like i said above, to ME, over clocking won't get you much. You have to REALLY over clock to see the benefits, Then you have to do special things like water cooling, ect. I'm just not intersted in that.
The cpu is going to be "outdated" in 4 or 5 years.. over clocked or not.
But, the price to slightly over clock is trivial. $15 extra for the cpu?
Maybe a bit extra for a Z board....
My undergrad is in computer science, masters in software engineeering. Six figure income.
I'm not worried about a "bit extra"...but I don't think I need a $300 board.
I learned the hard way (i.e., the expensive way), that anything I build will be out dated in 4 or 5 years, and will need to be rebuilt. So there isn't any point in spending oodles doing it.
But again... if the price is worth it.
The i7-4790K is $100 more.
Is the i7 worth the extra $100?
A lot of the Z77 boards support not just the i5's, but also the i7's.
Would it make more sense to get an i5 now, then in say 2 or 3 years, (when they have the i10's or so out), THEN pick up one of the top i7's..for a fraction of the price.
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Ok, let's offically say I want the "option" to be able to slight overclock.
Orginally I had said no...cause like i said above, to ME, over clocking won't get you much. You have to REALLY over clock to see the benefits, Then you have to do special things like water cooling, ect. I'm just not intersted in that.
The cpu is going to be "outdated" in 4 or 5 years.. over clocked or not.
But, the price to slightly over clock is trivial. $15 extra for the cpu?
Maybe a bit extra for a Z board....
My undergrad is in computer science, masters in software engineeering. Six figure income.
I'm not worried about a "bit extra"...but I don't think I need a $300 board.
I learned the hard way (i.e., the expensive way), that anything I build will be out dated in 4 or 5 years, and will need to be rebuilt. So there isn't any point in spending oodles doing it.
But again... if the price is worth it.
The i7-4790K is $100 more.
Is the i7 worth the extra $100?
A lot of the Z77 boards support not just the i5's, but also the i7's.
Would it make more sense to get an i5 now, then in say 2 or 3 years, (when they have the i10's or so out), THEN pick up one of the top i7's..for a fraction of the price.
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The i7 is $100 more. This may not be much more in the big picture, but for gaming only applications? That's throwing away $100 that could be delegated to parts where you will actually notice better performance, like in the video card and SSD.
16GB of RAM? That's something Dragon should consider, but it isn't necessarily necessary. For gaming, I wouldn't say that it's something he needs. Is he really going to use Sony Vegas? I don't remember him saying saying this. Yeah, you'll be future proof but RAM is the easiest part to upgrade and it is always getting cheaper. Not to mention that the X99 motherboard that icydud recommends only takes DDR4 RAM, which will cost you an arm and a leg.
More on that motherboard. Please do not follow both icydud's motherboard advice and CPU advice. Why? Because the motherboard he reccomends and the CPU he recommends aren't compatible with each other. Also, you don't have to spend more than $160 on a motherboard for your applications.
UGH, this is making my head hurt
Ok, let's offically say I want the "option" to be able to slight overclock.
Orginally I had said no...cause like i said above, to ME, over clocking won't get you much. You have to REALLY over clock to see the benefits, Then you have to do special things like water cooling, ect. I'm just not intersted in that.
The cpu is going to be "outdated" in 4 or 5 years.. over clocked or not.
But, the price to slightly over clock is trivial. $15 extra for the cpu?
Maybe a bit extra for a Z board....
My undergrad is in computer science, masters in software engineeering. Six figure income.
I'm not worried about a "bit extra"...but I don't think I need a $300 board.
I learned the hard way (i.e., the expensive way), that anything I build will be out dated in 4 or 5 years, and will need to be rebuilt. So there isn't any point in spending oodles doing it.
But again... if the price is worth it.
The i7-4790K is $100 more.
Is the i7 worth the extra $100?
A lot of the Z77 boards support not just the i5's, but also the i7's.
Would it make more sense to get an i5 now, then in say 2 or 3 years, (when they have the i10's or so out), THEN pick up one of the top i7's..for a fraction of the price.
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if you buy an i5 now, you're going to be spending more money regardless, you'll need to upgrade and buy another board. i7 4790k is well worth the money. By far one of the best processors out there. You can overclock it to 5.0 ghz if you have the cooling for it.
You wouldn't even need to upgrade this for a while, I just suggested it, because if you want to stay on top of the hardware, this is the way to go without going too overboard.
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If you get an i5 now you will not need to buy a new processor in 2 to 3 years at all.UGH, this is making my head hurt
Ok, let's offically say I want the "option" to be able to slight overclock.
Orginally I had said no...cause like i said above, to ME, over clocking won't get you much. You have to REALLY over clock to see the benefits, Then you have to do special things like water cooling, ect. I'm just not intersted in that.
The cpu is going to be "outdated" in 4 or 5 years.. over clocked or not.
But, the price to slightly over clock is trivial. $15 extra for the cpu?
Maybe a bit extra for a Z board....
My undergrad is in computer science, masters in software engineeering. Six figure income.
I'm not worried about a "bit extra"...but I don't think I need a $300 board.
I learned the hard way (i.e., the expensive way), that anything I build will be out dated in 4 or 5 years, and will need to be rebuilt. So there isn't any point in spending oodles doing it.
But again... if the price is worth it.
The i7-4790K is $100 more.
Is the i7 worth the extra $100?
A lot of the Z77 boards support not just the i5's, but also the i7's.
Would it make more sense to get an i5 now, then in say 2 or 3 years, (when they have the i10's or so out), THEN pick up one of the top i7's..for a fraction of the price.
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Okay, you're not understanding, he will have to buy an additional processor in that time. Over all costing more money.
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Why will he have to buy an additional processor?
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Yeah, he will be able to run games on higher than medium. That will be limited by his graphics card in nearly all cases.
He would basically be paying $100 for a few more threads. How many games need those threads now? None. How many in 5 years? Maybe like 4.
The most intensive game you can play (Arma III) is single threaded, and that isn't going to change anytime soon.
OK, lets get back on topic please. My suggestion would be to help him get setup with some kinda cpu on a motherboard that setup on an lga 1150 socket set. Overall Dragon its really up to you whether or not you want to spend the extra $$ for the i7. The most important aspect of this is the fact that once the cpu is outdated, the motherboard will be as well as the memory. I highly doubt that the i7 will outlast the i5. The only reason the i7 is really out there is for those people who have the extra $$ to shell out for the little bit of extra performance that's in the cpu's. We can only make recommendations to offer certain products, but its you overall that has to make the final purchase.
Also going back to the chipset differences. Since you want a newer gaming machine, just stick with Zxx motherboards. Anything less will be a waste of performance. I have a ASRock Z77 Extreme 3 motherboard paired with the i5-3570k (ya i know im behind in the times, but its affordable on a janitor's budget). Point being is never sacrifice for your love of video gaming. However, you also do want to use common sense when it comes to investing wisely. All I can say is that seeing as how you wont have to worry bout upgrading for at least 3 years to come, itll give you a good chance to get ready for the future upgrades. Go as simple or as hardcore as you want. I do agree that you should invest in getting 16gb of ram (the setup from there is completely your choice).
I hope this helps you in some way.
Also going back to the chipset differences. Since you want a newer gaming machine, just stick with Zxx motherboards. Anything less will be a waste of performance. I have a ASRock Z77 Extreme 3 motherboard paired with the i5-3570k (ya i know im behind in the times, but its affordable on a janitor's budget). Point being is never sacrifice for your love of video gaming. However, you also do want to use common sense when it comes to investing wisely. All I can say is that seeing as how you wont have to worry bout upgrading for at least 3 years to come, itll give you a good chance to get ready for the future upgrades. Go as simple or as hardcore as you want. I do agree that you should invest in getting 16gb of ram (the setup from there is completely your choice).
I hope this helps you in some way.
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I dont think you understand. DDR4 is not the best bang for your buck. Nor is an i7 and neither is a $300 motherboard.
I play all new and old games maxed on my Phenom II X4 955 black edition. Not sure why people think you need to upgrade every other year or two just to get top of the line performance. Maybe for a graphics card? Not a CPU.
I dont like Asrock because no one talks about it. I think their pricing is cheap (and some of it isnt.) I dont read up on it and my opinion on them will stand till they become more popular.
I've had no problems with ASUS products. Never once received a DOA product from them. So I have no experience with their customer support.
I would go with snipeye's choice of a Gigabyte board then if you dont feel comfortable with an ASUS board. Steer clear of MSI. I have personally had nothing but problems with them and am still out $400 after 4+ years.
Also, Steer clear of buying 16 gigs of RAM.
In a couple years DDR4 could make DDR3 obsolete. It all depends on how quick technology will progress. But 16 gigs is unneccesary in just about every gaming aspect as 8 gigs is even more than enough for every game out there.
(I play Arma 3, BF3/4 on the highest settings possible with my setup.)
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It really does Pillar.
I've pretty much decided on the i5. Like you said, for NOW, and for another year or two, a "gamer" will see no difference in the i5 vs the i7.
The "new" i7.. the 8 core thingy, is well over a grand. I bet in 2 years, we can pick up that card for under $150. Probably well under. I could get one then, give the rig a little more juice for another year or so.
The ASRocks board you have... i was reading on them. A lot of people are saying the board is really "thin". Did you notice it?
And whomever it was that said ASUS has gone downhill, may be correct. SOOO many of the online reviews include DOA other issues with them. That surprised me, the last three builds I did, was ASUS, and never had an issue (but, it HAS been several years since I build this one...)
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I've pretty much decided on the i5. Like you said, for NOW, and for another year or two, a "gamer" will see no difference in the i5 vs the i7.
The "new" i7.. the 8 core thingy, is well over a grand. I bet in 2 years, we can pick up that card for under $150. Probably well under. I could get one then, give the rig a little more juice for another year or so.
The ASRocks board you have... i was reading on them. A lot of people are saying the board is really "thin". Did you notice it?
And whomever it was that said ASUS has gone downhill, may be correct. SOOO many of the online reviews include DOA other issues with them. That surprised me, the last three builds I did, was ASUS, and never had an issue (but, it HAS been several years since I build this one...)
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So to sum up the overall opinions
1) Can't go wrong with the i5, but the i7 is an option.
2) No on the ASrock board or ASUS. Thus rises Gigabyte (Yay!) or MSI (Okay)
3) 8GB or 16GB, the choice is yours. It's really about even in pricing terms ($80 for 8GB, $160 for 16GB).
1) Can't go wrong with the i5, but the i7 is an option.
2) No on the ASrock board or ASUS. Thus rises Gigabyte (Yay!) or MSI (Okay)
3) 8GB or 16GB, the choice is yours. It's really about even in pricing terms ($80 for 8GB, $160 for 16GB).
