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Billy

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I'm making this just so I can see everyone's opinion on this. I've been playing this server for a few of years now and I feel as if everyone has experienced this first hand, you've gotten a bomb or a gun and you decide to have ST for it instead of rebelling, sensible choice for some people, you get ST, walk 10 feet and get killed by a CT (Guard) who didn't know you were ST. As of making this thread the repercussion of this incident is a swap from CT (Guard) to T (Prisoner), and I just wanted to state my opinion and get yours as well, (A made a thread about this back a year or two ago but don't remember what everyone's opinion was). As a CT (Guard) you must be in site of T's (Prisoners) at all time unless you are pursuing Rebeller's with suspicion of them rebelling, and you as well cannot be playing T Games so under these rules you should be paying attention and knowing who is ST and who is not. I was wondering how everyone would feel if the rule was changed to where that would be given a 1440 minute CT ban for Careless CT. I am very intrigued to what you all would think about this! Thank you.
 
Most of the time, CTs are just looking out for their warden and just accidentally kill an ST, I feel a 1440 ban would be too harsh. The current rule is fine as it is in my opinion, just got to repeatedly remind your CTs who the ST(s) is/are.
 
Most of the time, CTs are just looking out for their warden and just accidentally kill an ST, I feel a 1440 ban would be too harsh. The current rule is fine as it is in my opinion, just got to repeatedly remind your CTs who the ST(s) is/are.

Yes I somewhat agree but another part of the problem is most the time you cant talk for the first couple minutes of ST so you can't say where you are to warn CT's.
 
I agree with Apex. They're almost always just honest mistakes. As a CT, it can get confusing and easy for it to slip your mind, especially when the server's full and a lot of people are talking. You could be pursuing a rebeller while someone is getting st and it's hard to focus on the warden talking while you're in a gunfight. The 15 minute CT ban that comes with the swap is enough for an honest mistake.
 
If this problem is to be solved any other way that it currently is, it should be that the ST would be revived, or would get ST the following round to make up for it. Something along those lines.

I agree with Apex and Mast.
 
If you have been playing Jail as long as you have said then you know freekills will happen, intentional or not. Admins will handle them as necessary but in reality if you get killed just move on. You do not need to spam admin chat nor whine in chat. There is always going to be a next round.

CTs should make sure of who is ST but a 3-1 ratio makes that immensely challenging as they may not have time to do so while trying to handle the other prisoners.
 
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I had recommended making the ST like green or something lol. Logistically speaking I don’t think it’s as wasy as it sounds.
 
In general, its just an accident, and is handled with a swap. There are instances where the CT was clearly being careless (One time I had a guy ask if I was ST, didn't get a response because warden was wardening, and killed me whilst literally saying that he would take a ban if he got one).

In cases like these its up to discretion (and especially if this rule WERE added, you know of the STs who try to get CTs to freekill them by baiting shots or walking into line of fire), and shouldn't be one of the rules where punishment is standardized.
 
Maybe you can add a plugin or whatever this is that can enable the command !st to be used,imo it should display a message in chat saying [Name of the ST] has [amount of games] ST! and play a sound of some sort?Maybe its too much,idk.
 
If this problem is to be solved any other way that it currently is, it should be that the ST would be revived, or would get ST the following round to make up for it. Something along those lines.

I agree with Apex and Mast.

I like the idea of the ST getting ST next round,but reviving is a advisor only command isnt it?And i dont see many of those around jb.
 
If you were able to color the STs, it would take away the hesitation whilst killing rebellers, I personally love seeing people walk away from stack because they were able to convince CTs they were a ST. I personally think the STs system should stay as it is since faking ST is a enjoyable part of rebelling.
 
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I do understand the pain as I do play JB here and there. I feel like they could be punished more than just a CTSWAP (Also includes the 15 CT ban) but, maybe make it a hour CT ban. Not as much of a slap in the face, but more like a stern warning. But, the 1 day ban can be used for 2-3 time offenders unless admins feel as if further punishment needs to be taken. Great Idea its just that 1 day is a bit harsh, we all have those moments when we go AFK as CT for maybe 30 seconds to let the dog out etc... and you could miss a thing or two that happens, in this case a ST or two. Do to the errors that can go wrong so easily the punishments should start off small and raise with more incidents.
 
In my opinion it's just a honest miatake, maybe someone had to go downstairs for just a second to do something and they didn't hear the warden give out st. I just think the CT should just ask warden, and warden should be able to respond to the ct withing an amount of seconds.

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Or we could just keep it as it is? Revining players wouldn’t work sinc enot everyone has the permission to do that and I could see were that could go wrong sopheyy sopheyy . Coloring ST’s take away from the fun of rebelling.
 
If you were able to color the STs, it would take away the hesitation whilst killing rebellers, I personally love seeing people walk away from stack because they were able to convince CTs they were a ST. I personally think the STs system should stay as it is since faking ST is a enjoyable part of rebelling.

Me: "Woah, woah, woah, don't kill me guys im the ST"
Warden: "Jacko is NOT ST kill him!"
Me: *Guns down the CT's*
 

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