Counter-Strike Global Offensive Jail Server Was I in the wrong?

[Master in Disguise]

Here's the story. At roughly 5:45, the map was vipinthemix. It was a little over halfway through the round. There were rebellers, and I tried killing them but couldn't and ran out of ammo.. Completely out of ammo. Out in my AK, out in my Deagle.

Now I've seen this happen many times, as in a lot of people do it. What I'm talking about is I ran back to armory, got my guns again, then tried going back to stack. I then happened to run into Luft. He was rebelling (which I had no idea he was) and then I killed him.

We then had a brief argue between if I was in the wrong or not. He brought up the "you should always be in sight unless pursuing rebellers" rule, which is true. But I fought that I was only able to use a knife, and needed a weapon to kill rebellers. I asked an Jacko and tried asking Arbiter, but only Jacko responded.

His reply:
[5:50 PM]
Jacko:
ehh id let the ct get ammo as long as hes not intentionally doing it to check armory
its situational
admin discretion really


Luft tried asking Zimm to which he just said "You shouldn't run out of ammo unless your stupid (Evidence as provided https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....523/7F6A39490A701E38F0A1316BCCC423D529376424/). Which I didn't find as a good (or nice) enough evidence to be why I broke said rule.

This argue between me and luft went on for 20-ish minutes and I thought the community and higher ups should decide. Thanks

Sincerely,
Xavier

Key: Underlined message is the main point of the post
Bold: Bolded message is evidence.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Ok. So to bring up my point of view, I consider that *just like the rules state* You are not allowed to go out of sight of Ts if you are not pursuing rebellers. At the same time, running out of ammo might be an issue, but it's every guard's own responsibility to preserve the ammo in his guns. If you happen to somehow run out, but there are still rebellers on the loose, then sure, go ahead and change your guns. But as long as there are no rebellers, you, (imo) have no right to cross the map back towards main cells and then grab a new gun. In the end, it's still your own fault you didn't conserve your ammo.

 

[Tethys]

Yeah, it's really stupid for someone to run out of ammo on their AK and Deagle. It happens tho, so why should someone be punished because of it? He simply went back to the armory to get new guns, and I've seen people do this all the time just switching to a new gun. IMO not swappable, sounds like someone is a bit salty that they got killed during their rebel round.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Fine. It's just that you hardly get past the CTs and when you think you made it out there is one clueless CT coming out of the armory at the middle of the round. Frustrating.

 

[zarmati]

Few things:
1. Running out of ammo at 5:45 at the start of a round? That's awfully early.
2. I think going back to armory is fine if you're out of ammo as long as you're not purposefully doing it in order to catch rebellers. VIP is very problematic cause it's so easy to get into armory. Plus you have ct's screaming armory every 2 seconds when vents may not even be broken but thats a different story.
3. To what Rekty said; There's no point of cherry picking specific rules. You can find rules that will support your case and some rules that don't.
E.G. As a guard you must protect the warden. How can you do that with no gun? You can't. Therefore, it would be okay to get ammo.

I think it comes down to admin discretion. Although, in this case, I find running out of bullets this early into the round a little odd. Not impossible but just really early. I don't think it would merit a swap.

 

[Eland]

Just don't miss a lot and we'll never have this problem Kappa

 

[3dsam1]

I agree with zarmati, really is admin discretion. but if this is to happen again just direct them to admin chat and admins can deal with it.

 

[Master in Disguise]

Sorry for the mistake, I meant like 5:45 PM. Just so people could understand how long the brief discussion was between me and him. (towards 1. Z zarmati )

 

[BeastTheNinja]

okay just gonna say one thing here, i have seeing alot of people shooting their gun to run out of ammo and go back to armory to get new guns wich is intentionally and distruptive for the server wich i will and believe it should be punished with a swap since it's intentionally distruptive and careless CT, but i have seeing alot of other people shooting their gun and yeah miss alot that happens, but just saying if you are shooting your gun to go back to armory, you should think twice maybe you will get swapped for careless CT (i think) and the other thing is if you shoot your guns out of ammo, some people drop it and then T's will get the gun aka its swappable since it giving a T a gun, but that T could also get his round ruined, i will take this to the CS AT's and leadershipp about this when i get back home, for its really no fun and people should not be doing it.

Other thing is if this is not something you understand for what i wrote cuz the lack of punctums and commas then i will explain it more formally to you if you want though.

But on the other hand i hope this is something people will understand

 

[Eric]

I know i havent been on in a while but if im not Mistaken isnt vipinthemix have the armory right where you can see the cells out window? But anyway if during the round buy playing games cts do run out of ammo killing the ts hell even happened to me couple of times. But when i ran out of ammo i always said im going to get get a new gun and came back which seems to be the case here it is just unlucky that the t got killed. That had also happened to me and a lot of others its just the having luck. I would say it would be rulebreaking if this happened everyround on every map as an exuse to check armory but if he really is just getting ammo/newgun then i wouldnt make a big deal out of it. Also that map is kindove small from what i remember so running to get ammo wouldnt really be leaving the ts for verylong unless he was one of the last few. But this is just my opinion i wanted to throw in after seeing this