Toxic Cts

[joaKING]

Warning shots are good in idea, not very good in practice.

I personally use them all the time if someone's slacking a bit, but if they became a "right" in the rulebook, you get a LOT of complaining about people thinking they were entitled to a warning shot and whatnot. It's basically like everyone creating their own definition of what pushes the line and then bitching about it to admins, instead of the current systems of admins creating their own versions and just admining off of it.

Also complaining that admins do not always make the best decision towards toxicity, while valid for some, is something that is just always going to exist. You either trust the people to create their own version of toxicity and then bitch to admins, have the admins create their own version, or create an ultra restrictive and complex rulebook.

The first one is never going to work for obvious reasons, and the complex rulebook isn't a good idea because then the rules become more complex, fewer people know about them, and the more argument you're going to have in admin chat. Admins creating their own versions of rule interpretation is never going to be perfect (We're humans too), but has proven to be the best option time after timer again.

That's a good point, it's hard balance reducing toxicity with increasing more opportunities for T's to complain/clog things up. I think it the reality is CT toxicity is mostly a grey zone because there is almost always an argument for delaying or detouring if you don't exactly follow the commands. Impossible to regulate toxicity out of JB, but luckily most CTs aren't overly toxic. A handful are just legit bad CTs but the majority are good.

I know a lot of people have been asking for more admins to be on JB lately but I have actually seen quite a lot on pretty regularly over the last couple weeks and I think things have actually improved a bit tbh.

 

[sopheyy]

This is where admin discretion in my opinion sucks. What exactly is too toxic? If I kill someone for simply not following the wardens commands I shouldn't be swapped. If someone runs for a secret and its just a smoke and I kill them is that swappable?

it doesn't just suck for non-admins. admin discretion sucks for admins too
when are we under-admining? when are we over-admining? when are we doing it just right? its such a hard balance

 

[Bowl of Water]

the best way to admin toxic players is to go off the mood of the rest of the server. if the player is getting called toxic a lot and making it not fun to play then you admin. And if you know the player is more toxic than the rest of the players than admin them harder. as you guys have been told, Griefing (as in something that hampers the ability for everyone else to enjoy the server.) is a thing and you can admin it. If you know someone causes a lot of problems then warn them about it and then if they keep doing it then swap them for it.

 

[Pink]

the best way to admin toxic players is to go off the mood of the rest of the server. if the player is getting called toxic a lot and making it not fun to play then you admin. And if you know the player is more toxic than the rest of the players than admin them harder. as you guys have been told, Griefing (as in something that hampers the ability for everyone else to enjoy the server.) is a thing and you can admin it. If you know someone causes a lot of problems then warn them about it and then if they keep doing it then swap them for it.

There is no way you should go off the mood of the rest of the server. Someone will always complain about toxicity. Killing someone for a valid reason should not be swappable.

 

[Bowl of Water]

There is no way you should go off the mood of the rest of the server. Someone will always complain about toxicity. Killing someone for a valid reason should not be swappable.

the reasoning isnt because they killed someone, its more of their behavior and their actions if they warden. calling afk freeze/crouch walk when there is absolutely 0 point. playing toxic games just to kill all the ts, the list goes on. most of the time i dont admin anyone for killing people for the right reasons, its more about if they are making the game unplayable and unenjoyable to everyone.