Snipers annoy me

[3.14159265359]

For those who know me know that I play sniper a lot. I'm not against all snipers. I'm against those snipers who see that we have 3 or 4 snipers and decide that we need more. Some maps warrant that number of snipers but 2fort isn't one of them. Although it is a good sniping map there isn't much room on the battlements for 5 snipers. Sure they can snipe elsewhere like the front doors but that usually isn't the greatest place to snipe because of the lack of protection the front doors give you. Spies and any amount of enemies can easily kill you there. If your team is pushing the enemy back into their base you're safe but usually if you miss a shot you're dead because of the lack of protection.

While there are 5 snipers there is a shortage of other classes. This hurts the team so no matter how hard the rest of the team tries we usually come up short and lose unless another sniper or two decide to switch classes. There are pubs that say something about how many snipers we have and most of the time 1 or 2 snipers do change class but sometimes nobody changes and we have to live with 5 snipers.

My biggest question is why people think a team needs 5 snipers? Or are they just thinking about what they want to play regardless of the team?

I'm just ranting because this annoys me and I needed to say something. I may be completely in the wrong here but this is just what I've observed.

 

[midget31394]

I would have to agree with you there, although when I join sniper and theres 4 already its for to kill the one sniper they cant and to get vengence, but im usually a medic and need a break from time to time.

 

[westside]

i would have to reply with,

yeah this is annoying but anyone should be able to play whatever they want...

if you guys dont need 5 snipers feel free to change classes

 

[pimpinabox]

so what you actually mean is ... selfish people annoy you.. this happened to me earlier today on 2fort with engi's ... im sitting here guarding the base and all the sudden we have 5 engi's on the front door alone. i was gonna switch but i moved my sg to the loft since no one was guarding it.. then this is the fun part. every responsible engi decides theres 2 many engi's while the idiots that decided to spam the class get bored and switch out .. leaving the base totally unprotected.

 

[Adilor]

Or are they just thinking about what they want to play regardless of the team?

You've hit it right there.

 

[Dreadmaker]

Yes. Typically, I know a lot of people (myself included, sometimes) who use 2fort as sniper training. It's a great map for sniper practice, and engie practice. Frankly, Instant Respawn anything will get you idiots... but it will get you a lot of people who want to practice a class they suck at with no respawn times as well.

It's something we have to live with. 2fort is the most popular map ever, according to Steam's site. That means it's popular with ALL players, not just good ones.

 

[Nysa]

I think it's just people playing what they want to. I've seen five sniper teams a ton lately, but they should be allowed as long as it isn't completely screwing up the team, but like Dreadmaker said, they could just be doing it because they need practice. But, if it gets ridiculous, tell them. Many people are willing to change if you actually bring up the fact that its a problem.

 

[3.14159265359]

Most of the time when pubs point it out some of them do change but there are a few times that nobody listens.

Having 5 snipers always hurts the team. There is either no defense or no offense. Which eventually leads to the team losing.

Also with 5 snipers the other team's snipers switch to another class so they have more people defending or attacking.

I have no problem with bad snipers. I have a problem with too many snipers.

 

[Dreadmaker]

Well, I hate to break it to you, Putter, but there isn't anything you can do about it. There isn't anything ANYONE can do about it, unless we put class limits on, which GGVW stated in another thread we will not be doing.

You can ask them to change, but you know, My philosophy is simple. If they die enough, they will get frustrated and leave. Therefore, the problem will take care of itself.

Bad sniper ---> Dies multiple times ---> gets frustrated ---> leaves.

Decent sniper ---> Kills/dies equally ---> gets annoyed ---> switches classes

Good sniper ---> Kills a lot ---> doesn't get annoyed ---> benefit to the team.


Done.

Oh yes. one slight addendum to the above model :

Great sniper ---> Dreadmaker

 

[koolaid]

Well, I hate to break it to you, Putter, but there isn't anything you can do about it. There isn't anything ANYONE can do about it, unless we put class limits on, which GGVW stated in another thread we will not be doing.

You can ask them to change, but you know, My philosophy is simple. If they die enough, they will get frustrated and leave. Therefore, the problem will take care of itself.

Bad sniper ---> Dies multiple times ---> gets frustrated ---> leaves.

Decent sniper ---> Kills/dies equally ---> gets annoyed ---> switches classes

Good sniper ---> Kills a lot ---> doesn't get annoyed ---> benefit to the team.


Done.

Oh yes. one slight addendum to the above model :

Great sniper ---> Dreadmaker

i Agree with you this happens most of the time but it takes them a couple of minutes to get annoyed

 

[Deac]

Well, I hate to break it to you, Putter, but there isn't anything you can do about it. There isn't anything ANYONE can do about it, unless we put class limits on, which GGVW stated in another thread we will not be doing.

You can ask them to change, but you know, My philosophy is simple. If they die enough, they will get frustrated and leave. Therefore, the problem will take care of itself.

Bad sniper ---> Dies multiple times ---> gets frustrated ---> leaves.

Decent sniper ---> Kills/dies equally ---> gets annoyed ---> switches classes

Good sniper ---> Kills a lot ---> doesn't get annoyed ---> benefit to the team.


Done.

Oh yes. one slight addendum to the above model :

Great sniper ---> Dreadmaker

Your forgot:

Decent Sniper --> Kills/ dies equally --> gets annoyed --> changes classes to spy and stabs opposing snipers. LOL

 

[subtle_turtle]

Play scout or spy. Then you'll love snipers (as long as they are on the opposite team)!
Bat: my anti-sniper.

 

[benko_gambit]

I would like to see a max limit of 3 snipers on a team at a given time on the 2fort servers. More then that just isn't fun.

 

[3.14159265359]

I consider myself an OK sniper. When I die repeatedly I get frustrated. I don't change classes. I try to change my strategy. I move to a new location. Then if I continue to die a lot I just try harder. I don't change until there are too many snipers on the team or if I can benefit the team by going pyro or engie. I'm probably the exception that proves the theory.

 

[Dare]

Honestly I think anywhere there should only be 2 snipers on the team, 3 max. We need more players in different classes so the team can move the enemy back. Heck even if they change to engineer to make a lot of engineers that's fine; as long as it's balanced and they're helping the team with their sentries.

 

[Nobody :)]

Ur absolutely right and during Spy update I will go Pyro

I like the "Portal Cube sniper

 

[Mr. Dogma]

Well, I hate to break it to you, Putter, but there isn't anything you can do about it. There isn't anything ANYONE can do about it, unless we put class limits on, which GGVW stated in another thread we will not be doing.

You can ask them to change, but you know, My philosophy is simple. If they die enough, they will get frustrated and leave. Therefore, the problem will take care of itself.

Bad sniper ---> Dies multiple times ---> gets frustrated ---> leaves.

Decent sniper ---> Kills/dies equally ---> gets annoyed ---> switches classes

Good sniper ---> Kills a lot ---> doesn't get annoyed ---> benefit to the team.


Done.

Oh yes. one slight addendum to the above model :

Great sniper ---> Mr. Dogma

Fix'd.

Haha, I'm just kidding with you Dread. But no seriously, that's pretty much listed how things go down.

 

[3.14159265359]

Thanks nobody. I laughed a little when I saw this picture so I made a sig out of it.

 

[eddycurrents]

I thought the OP was making a general rant. So on that thread... yeah snipers annoy me too. Chickenpoop bastages staying out of harm's way and peeing in bottles and snickering to themselves after a headshot.

Snipers annoy everyone. Snipers even annoy themselves. When I play sniper, I can't stand myself. I have to keep getting up to leave the room.

 

[fools russian]

it is my primary goal when I play 2fort to kill snipers. demo sticky snipe > sniper snipe