Feedback for the new scramble teams plugin

Seeing all of this, I really respect all the work Agent is putting into this, this is a thing that will always causes trouble and problems and you will get burned down for it, you will never be able to satify everyone. And I respect Agent for handling it so well.

But do we actual need it, myself and a ton of other players on dustbowl are willingly to switch and make the difference to help the team balance out, the solution still lies with a human action to see if it is wrong, if action should be taken, us admins have to do what is right, this is why we are here, this is why we are promoted, this is the time to show what we are really worth.

Help the other teams, help your fellow admins, bring balance to the game, if you like to play with others, let them come with you to the other team to help out, I don't see the reason why you shouldn't help out your community by a simple action which makes it better for everyone.
 
i had this problem again today with it, and idk if it's arleady been said, but can we have it so if someone is scrambled, they can't be scambled at the next scramble? i was on hoodoo and had to play red on the first point 4 times in a row cause i get scrambled every round. it's not fun.

and cl!ff made a good point. most the better players are are good about switching to the other team if need be. the only problem lies in weather or not the losing team has more people, which happens a lot actually.
 
!Woodstock! said:
Lets not hijack this thread into a scramble plugin vs. anti-scramble plugin. Garden made this thread to get actual feedback from those who have experienced the plugin in action. If you have not been in Gravelpit, Turbine, or PL Maps, when the scramble activated, then don't post here.
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I'll probably get in trouble for this, but I'll take the punishment.

This isn't thread hijacking, this is the feedback you are asking for. People are voicing their concerns about why they don't like it, some of us have experienced it and are saying that, some have not and are saying why they think the idea itself is bad.

You can't just ignore peoples opinions because they haven't played for hours on these servers, particularly because some people are going to avoid them completely because of the scramble feature.

As Nurse said, it isn't always about steamrolling. If half the team are spies and snipers and zero medics, they're going to get beaten and they deserve to. Once they see how bad they're losing, they'll switch to other classes, balance the team out better and start winning again. Or they'll rage-quit and people more willing to play for the team and not the scoreboard will have a chance to come in.

Scrambling in some form is needed, in my opinion. But I personally feel it would be much more effective as a vote, or a senior admin command. Or both. Autoscrambling people who are trying to play with their friends, or a person who has been scrambed 8 times in 10 minutes is only going to drive people away.
 
i'm pretty much a dustbowl addict so i wasn't expecting to run into the auto-scrambler, but i found myself on our PL server earlier today and from the brief encounter with the system, it seems to be fine.

I admit it can be frustrating being switched about between the teams (i prefer red :laugh: ) but that's just my bad luck. otherwise it seems to work ok and the other addition of blocking "team-quit to spectator mode" seems to be working very well.
 
Sumelar said:
I'll probably get in trouble for this, but I'll take the punishment.

This isn't thread hijacking, this is the feedback you are asking for. People are voicing their concerns about why they don't like it, some of us have experienced it and are saying that, some have not and are saying why they think the idea itself is bad.

You can't just ignore peoples opinions because they haven't played for hours on these servers, particularly because some people are going to avoid them completely because of the scramble feature.
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I understand the need for discussion, but my post was in response to a number of irrelevant posts that were on the lines of: "I'll go check it out." "I don't like scramble." "Can't wait to play with it." and the like. My first post is now out of context because Trykael deleted the irrelevant posts.

agent86 said:
minus the ones trykael moderated because they weren't posting about actual experiences
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I play on Turbine almost religiously so I've had many run-ins with the auto-scrambler. While I understand what its purpose is, it seems to hinder more than help. Between people that enjoy playing with friends, auto-scrambling people with fewer points while leaving the leaders untouched (seen this one a few times) and, in the most annoying instance, seemingly scrambling after every round.

The worst part of having the auto-scrambler, though, is when it goes off right after a couple of people leave at the end of a round. I've had quite a few games scrambled and leaving teams unbalanced (12 vs. 9) and when I try to join the smaller team to help even things out, the scrambler says that I'm trying to stack teams. So instead of being able to try and re-balance so one team isn't at a 2-4 player disadvantage, the scrambler is actually forcing the teams to be even MORE unbalanced.

I agree that something needs to be in place for stacked teams but something that's done automatically and isn't correctable when it's wrong isn't what we need.
 
I like the new plugin it makes the teams even I get tired of being beat 30 times in a row. Nice job!
 
ahhh-HA! So that's what happened! Yah, this thing rocks! I love scrambles, they rock. Game that is scrambled > game that is not scrambled. :thumbup:
 
I enjoy this because it does help teams become even and it keeps 1 team from being beat over and over.
 
Another thing i have noticed, And this may be considered only a minor issue.. But it DOES take away from the natural game mechanics and the way the game was made:

Some people pride themselves in dominations and/or getting a revenge against a nemesis. After a couple of the scrambles last night we had some people commenting on losing their dominations...

Again.. it might be a minor thing, but its changing the natural game mechanics.
 
I usually play quite frequently on Turbine and I am actually a big fan of the scramble. It happens too often but I was one of the people that was asking for it.

Most of it stemmed from playing a particularly rough weekend I believe it was a saturday when I was assigned blue and proceeded to go on a 1-20 loss streak. The team would constantly bleed out players and anyone 'autobalanced' over would simply spectate until red could be joined again. I love team fortress, and I enjoy playing on ego servers but its hard to stomach getting steam rolled for 3 hours at a time. I could try and rejoin as red but it feels a bit like kicking a puppy as blue is afraid to venture past the vents.

The only suggestions I would offer is to keep scramble, but increase the loss limit. If possible is there a mod that takes friend lists into account and will try to keep them together along skill levels?
 
After getting scrambled 3 times onto the opposite side of my friends I cannot say I like the scramble. Also I noticed that after about 4 scrambles gravelpit went from full to less than half. I don't know if it was because of the scramble or what but that's what it seemed like. It's a good idea in thought but it doesn't seem to work out in practice.

EDIT: Forgot to add it seems like you get scrambled if you don't play just good enough. Too good and you get scrambled, too bad and the same. Not much fun.
 
After further thought it might be an idea to keep the auto part of the plugin but maybe have it put out a vote first. Then scramble according to the results of the poll.
 
mobomelter said:
Also I noticed that after about 4 scrambles gravelpit went from full to less than half. I don't know if it was because of the scramble or what but that's what it seemed like.
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Unfortunately, Gravel Pit will empty out a lot after every other round or so, it may be because of the scramble, but that is still not known. Further research is required.
 
!Woodstock! said:
After further thought it might be an idea to keep the auto part of the plugin but maybe have it put out a vote first. Then scramble according to the results of the poll.
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I agree with that. That way if no one wants a scramble it doesn't force you.
 
As discussed in the divisional Q/A last night, the TF2 Leadership team would largely prefer to avoid having any manual intervention - through a "!vote" or admin intervention - in causing a scramble.

To quote one of the esteemed DL's:

"We'd like to get the plugin to where it runs in the background automatically and is so subtle people don't even notice it."***


***Totally made up quote since I can't remember who said what. But if one of them had said something, it might have sounded like that.
 
ScrappyDoo said:
"We'd like to get the plugin to where it runs in the background automatically and is so subtle people don't even notice it."
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Seeing a spawn room full of dead ragdolls does not seem subtle to me. Just my 1/8c worth.
 
It's not the switching that is frustrating it's not being able to play with your friends.
 
Was on Gravelpit earlier today and had trouble twice with the auto-balance.

on both occassions, the teams were scrambled, once for the kpd ratios and again for 'stacked' teams. i've seen it work ok for the past few days, but both scrambles today seemed unnecessary as neither team was doing enough to warrant the team scramble. Can't pin-point the exact reason behind it though, so sorry.
 
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